Letters to the Editor: Friday, June 6, 2008

Published: June 6, 2008

Oust justices for ruling on Stipe case
With one exception, members of the Oklahoma Supreme Court struck out and committed a disservice to the state of Oklahoma in allowing former state Sen. Gene Stipe to retain his full state pension. In its published opinion, the court said, in essence, "He did the crime, but not on state time.” To conclude that Stipe didn't use his position and influence as a legislator to affect the crimes for which he was convicted is a slap in the face of every state worker, legislator and Oklahoman who abides by the rules and conduct themselves within the guidelines and laws of legal and ethical conduct.

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I would encourage you to take a list of justices to the voting booth. When the question is posed on the ballot as to whether to retain the justices, vote NO to retain the following: Rudolph Hargrave, Marian Opala, Joseph Watt, Tom Colbert, John Reif, James Edmondson, Yvonne Kauger and Steven Taylor.

Thank you Justice James Winchester for doing the right thing and voting with ethical turpitude to uphold the state retirement board's removal of those benefits.

Jay Wall, Edmond

Edmondson, Kauger and Taylor did not participate in the Stipe decision. Retired justices Hardy Summers and Robert Lavender joined Hargrave, Opala, Watt, Colbert and Reif in forming a majority on the decision.

Reason to vote
If Oklahoma taxpayers need a reason to vote against most of the state Supreme Court justices when they are up for retention, they got it when those judges voted to give Gene Stipe a pension of more than $7,000 a month plus a lot of taxpayer dollars retroactively. Stipe was in the Legislature 54 years and most taxpaying Oklahomans don't think he deserves more of their dollars. James Winchester was the only justice to vote against this taxpayer rip-off. The others didn't show the courage and/or common sense to acknowledge that Stipe violated the intent of his oath of office, if not the technical letter of it in the election tampering case.

Remember, taxpayers, that most of these judges have sat on the court a long time and many are old. Why not encourage their retirement in favor of some new people?

Joe Ralls, Moore

Lesson in immorality
Regarding "Ruling lets Stipe keep his pension; Former senator is eligible for $7,042 a month” (news story, May 28): One would surmise that a criminal of Gene Stipe's stature would at least forfeit half his benefits. Some of our so-called laws benefit crooks more than good, honest, hardworking people. No wonder so many of our young people are confused these days as to right and wrong.

Martha Stroud, Oklahoma City

Inspiring results
I recently attended an end-of-school-year awards ceremony at Wilson Elementary in Oklahoma City. One by one, as each category of awards was presented, I noticed something interesting and inspiring: Many of the girls who walked up to get an award were also Girl Scouts. Others throughout the 39-county service area of Girl Scouts-Western Oklahoma have told me they witnessed the same thing at their schools' awards ceremonies. Putting a daughter, granddaughter, niece or sister in Girl Scouts is preparing them for leadership opportunities and recognition in other areas of their lives.

It could be a coincidence, but it's interesting to note that as GS-WO focuses on the sciences, we see more and more girls getting science awards at their schools. This summer, girls will be learning how to dust for fingerprints and extract DNA at the CSI Summer Camp, and build robots at the Robotics Summer Camp. The early results of these types of programs are showing us that girls want to explore science and technology — and now we see that they are being rewarded at school for their efforts.

Cathy Stackpole, Oklahoma City

Stackpole is CEO of Girl Scouts-Western Oklahoma.


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Speaking of judge retention do you ever realize how they just show up on a ballot and you have to vote yes or no not knowing who any of these people are. Almost everytime the get retained by about 65% which means two thirds go in and just vote yes while the other third vote no. I think if they don't have the decency to at least try and tell us something about themselves and take for granted that two thirds are going to just vote yes maybe we need to get two thirds or more to start voting no on judge retention.
Bobby, Hartshorne - Jun 6, 2008 7:37 PM
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I don't like Stipe anymore than you do, but the law is either the law for everyone or it isn't worth the paper it's written upon. If the OK Supreme Court had done anything else they would be the "activist judges" you so despise.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 12:09 PM
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I don't like Stipe anymore than you do, but the law is either the law for everyone or it isn't worth the paper it's written upon. If the OK Supreme Court had done anything else they would be the "activist judges" you so despise.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 12:02 PM
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Ryan, Keep supporting him and showing your true self.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Jun 6, 2008 11:42 AM
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He was never convicted of receiving any money, only funneling it into other campaigns.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 10:21 AM
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He didn't fail to uphold or obey the US or state constitutions, he didn't take a bribe (which is what the second part is all about) and he there is no suggestion that he didn't discharge the duties of his office. The statute involved is clear that only FELONIES that violate the OATH OF OFFICE can be forfeited. If you don't like the law, go try to change it, but the OK Supreme Court applied the law as written and to accuse them of some dereliction of their duties is preposterous.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 10:19 AM
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Ryan He received all kinds of money that he would not have recieved if he had not been in office, I cannot believe that any one could or would come on a board such as this one and post that he does not believe that Stipe did not violate his oath of office in more ways than one . Unbelieveable
BERT, HENRYETTA - Jun 6, 2008 10:19 AM
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By the way, he was convicted of conspiracy to violate the Federal Election Campaign Act, Conspiracy to Obstruct a Federal Election Commission investigation and one count of perjury. Only the obstruction and perjury charges are felonies.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 10:01 AM
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Jeff and Bert: Tell me precisely which part of his oath he violated. The Oath for public office is as follows:
"I, . . . . . . . , do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support, obey, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Oklahoma, and that I will not, knowingly, receive, directly or indirectly, any money or other valuable thing, for the performance or nonperformance of any act or duty pertaining to my office, other than the compensation allowed by law; I further swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully discharge my duties as . . . . . . . . to the best of my ability."
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 9:59 AM
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One thing your missing Ryan is Stipe violated his oath of office. The State retiremnet board removed those benefits and that should have been that. I guess it's true a man once told me if you want to be a criminal become a politican or a cop because when you get caught all you have to do is resign.
jeff, Harrah - Jun 6, 2008 9:39 AM
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Ryan, And you do not think that Stipe violated his oath of office? He must have really done something big for you.
BERT, HENRYETTA - Jun 6, 2008 9:23 AM
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More of the same rants about Stipe; Here's the deal people, as a public official you don't lose your pension unless it violates the oath of office. That's what the law says and all of this other stuff people bring up is irrelevant to the law and the OK Supreme Court's decision.
Ryan, Oklahoma City - Jun 6, 2008 9:10 AM
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