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House narrowly approves health care bill

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Published: November 8, 2009

WASHINGTONThe U.S. House voted Saturday to remake the nation’s health insurance system and take a major step toward universal coverage.

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Meeting in a rare weekend session that lasted more than 14 hours, the House approved a Democratic bill 220 to 215 that includes new mandates for benefits and a government-run plan for those who can’t afford private insurance.

Democratic leaders, who worked for weeks to round up enough votes, got help Saturday from President Barack Obama — who went to Capitol Hill to give a pep talk — and from a compromise with anti-abortion Democrats who wanted the bill to contain explicit prohibitions on government money being used to pay for abortions.

All five House members from Oklahoma voted against the bill and against the procedural "rule” allowing debate. Only one of the 177 Republicans in the House voted for the bill — Rep. Joseph Cao, of Louisiana — while 39 Democrats opposed it.

Hours before the vote, Obama met behind closed doors with Democratic lawmakers and urged them to make history.

"Most public servants pass through their entire careers without a chance to make as important a difference in the lives of their constituents and the life of this country,” Obama said at the White House after that meeting. "I urge members of Congress to rise to this moment.”

Though passage of the ambitious legislation marked a major milestone in the decades-long effort to achieve universal health care coverage, the bill is a long way from becoming law. Attention now shifts to the Senate, where prospects for a government-run health care plan, commonly referred to as a public option, are thought to be dim. The Senate could be weeks away from taking up its version of health care reform.

The House bill would expand greatly the number of Americans with health care coverage through a combination of mandates on businesses and individuals and through expansion of Medicaid, the federal-state health program for the nation’s poor.

Under the bill, businesses with annual payrolls exceeding $500,000 would have to provide coverage to their employees or pay a tax. That tax would reach 8 percent of payroll for businesses with annual payrolls greater than $750,000. Individuals also would have to buy insurance or pay a penalty.

Medicaid coverage would be extended to all those with incomes 150 percent above the poverty level (currently about $33,000 per year for a family of four) and the federal government would pick up most of the additional costs.

An official congressional estimate says 96 percent of people in the country ultimately would have coverage because of the House bill. The U.S. Census Bureau reported in September that more than 46 million people lack health insurance, but that figure may be low since it came from a survey taken before joblessness skyrocketed to its current rate of 10.2 percent.

New taxes on businesses and the wealthy would pay for some of the bill’s $1.2 trillion cost over 10 years. The bill also calls for cutting federal subsidies to Medicare Advantage programs and trimming other payments in that entitlement program.

Democrats said the bill would create a system in which insurance would be more "portable” and in which no one could be denied coverage for having a pre-existing condition. Private insurers no longer could place lifetime caps on benefits, and annual out-of-pocket expenses would be limited.

"Never again will you be denied coverage because you have diabetes or asthma, or because you are pregnant, or because you have anything else your insurer decides is a pre-existing condition,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said during debate on the floor. "Never again will your coverage run out. Nor will you find that coverage you thought you paid for was actually not there at all. And never again can insurance companies drive out competition and set premiums as high as they like because there will be a public insurance option and a transparent marketplace to keep them honest.”

But Republicans argued that the bill ultimately would drive many employers to drop their insurance plans and leave their workers to buy coverage from the public plan.

Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, said there would be a two-tiered system in which only the "elites” could afford private coverage and the rest of Americans would buy insurance from the federal government. Other Republicans warned that the public option eventually would be the only option.

Rep. Mary Fallin, R-Oklahoma City, said Americans want reform but don’t want "socialized medicine” and "more federal deficit spending on the backs of our children.”

The debate over major health care changes has roiled the country, just as it did when former President Bill Clinton tried to take on the issue in the early 1990s. This past summer, congressional town hall meetings drew large crowds of people irate over the idea that the government would become more involved in health care. On Saturday, just as earlier in the week, protesters outside the U.S. Capitol yelled, "Kill the bill.”

Though large organizations such as the AARP and the American Medical Association backed the bill, the most important group at the end may have been the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which wanted a longstanding ban on federally-funded abortion maintained.

Democratic leaders agreed Friday night to allow a vote on stringent prohibitions against abortion services when any kind of federal subsidies are involved. The House approved the anti-abortion amendment 240-194, despite objections from several Democratic women lawmakers who said it was unnecessary.

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Stinkerpants: Not yet, but it looks hopeful although the outcome will be a messy compromise. But it's a start.
Mike - Nov 9, 2009 at 12:23 am
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The socialists that control the Democrat party want to impose a job killing, tax hiking, deficit exploding, government takeover of our medical system. The whole scheme is not about health care, it's about control over the masses and wealth redistribution.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Whoa! I leave for the weekend and suddenly we have health care! Dude!
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:04 pm
A $500,000 payroll is chicken feed. Most farmers take in more than that and lose money.That is a small business that has that low of employment. They can't afford employee's insurance and barely their own.
Floyd, Oklahoma - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:47 pm
The Danes, when asked about "Socialized" medicine looked confused. The have government care. Puzzled, they said,

"We call it civilized. We want to look after our kids and our elders."

And that's it, in a nutshell.
write, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I didn't see the program but I'm not the least bit surprised.
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 5:59 pm
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OK - I just have one big concern. Did anyone watch Dateline (I believe) about 1-2 weeks ago when the big story was Medicare fraud? They said such fraud has surpassed Florida's drug trade in lucrative illegal ways to make money. If the government can't even manage Medicare, how are they going to hang on to this one?
whyno, no - Nov 8, 2009 at 5:50 pm
"144 people in her district die every year because they had no HC ins." So the deaths stop at 144 no more and no less. WOW!!!! I wonder who decided on the number 144? Could it have been a nasty ole insurance company that decided on the magic number or could it be some lefty who will give you any number just to make a point. I would suggest to you that it's the latter.
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm
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Blah! Blah! Blah! Whaaaa! Whaaa! Whaaa! profit of any kind is bad. All companies and induviduals should make just enough to scrape by just like every other low life who fails get a real job because they are too stupid or too lazy to better themselves. Now that will be one fine day in American History. Everybody sitting on their butts living off the goverment. I wonder wear the money will come from. The trust fund babies will probably have their trust funds tax exempt and untouchalble so their will be no funds available. I guess their is always China. Then again how long will it take for China to cut their ties or insist on military hardware or politcal control.
Cowboy, MWC - Nov 8, 2009 at 5:29 pm
"Rep. Mary Fallin, R-Oklahoma City, said Americans want reform but don’t want "socialized medicine” and "more federal deficit spending on the backs of our children.”

Fallin uses the "S" word to unfairly demonize the plan and misrepresents the "tax" issue, 144 people in her district die every year because they had no HC Ins.

Fallin and her ilk are representing Big Corporate (Corporate Socialism) over the health of her constituents...

Her for Gov? No way. The GOP in this nation (outside Hee Haw) are down to about 19% in people who claim affiliation with them...and only 9% approve of their congress representations.

Get rid of the rest and allow us to rebuild America. We cannot handle any more GOP control and obstructionist leanings. Enough already!

Lou, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 5:03 pm
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Chris, I'm sure there are many countries who would take you in..........NOT. Or maybe you can form a new one somewhere far,far away, where all you tubby, mullet-tops can co-exist in the splendor you richly deserve.
Rick, Eugene - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:33 pm
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Michael, do you own any stock in health insurance companies? If not, why not? You state the insurance companies are making billions when they are one of the least profitable businesses in the market place..You say the dems are compassionate and really care for their people...what do don't mention is that the black leadership has been taking advantage of their followers for years....and the likes of Jackson, Sharpton, Rangel & the hierarchy in the NAACP have become multi-millionaires. There should be some type of health care reform that is fair to all but not the monstrosity that the house voted on yesterday.
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 3:55 pm
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You guys are kidding, right? Health care is unavailable to many and is expensive because Doctors no longer observe the Hippocratic Oath,and attorneys make billions suing them. There are over 200 members of congress who list attorney or lawyer as previous employment. To pass any meaningful legislation that wouldn't rape the American tax payer would be a conflict of interest regardless of whether they are Democrat or Republican. Our government is getting to big! Watch this and see if you can tell where we're at in America. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk0adb4c7E
Charles, Midwest City - Nov 8, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I wonder if there was an outcry like this when Social Security was implemented?
Anonymous, The Internet - Nov 8, 2009 at 3:12 pm
awww chris, it will be ok....i promise. i put up with eight years of george bush and i survived (barely!). chris our country is amazing and it is more so when we take an opportunity to do the right thing and increase access to health care for every citizen....you can call it socialism, communism, or whatever other buzz words you hear from rush limbaugh all you want, but at the end of the day, passing health care reform is the right and moral thing to do.
Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Goodbye my amazing country. Thanks to African Americans and democrats, your are falling. I am glad what you have done in your history. However, it was destined for idiots to mess you up and we fall. I will miss you great country.
Chris - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:36 pm
republicans and some democrats care about insurance company profits - democrats and one republican care about people....it is really that simple.

Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 1:28 pm
i am always amazed at how much concern the republicans have for 'people' before they are born, but they could care less about people AFTER they are actually born and become humans. health care is a life and death issue and the goal of any compassionate human should be for everyone to have easy and affordable access to great health care. the difference between the two parties could not be any clearer on this issue: republicans are for the insurance companies and are against any meaningful health care reform, republicans want insurance companies to make billions in profits at the expens of human lives, they want insurance companies to be able to continue their 'death panels' in the form of insurance review boards, and republicans think that low income people who cannot afford to buy health insurance are lazy, welfare loving, freeloaders. most democrats on the other hand support health care reform and access for everyone and support the right of the insurance industries to make a fair profit, democrats support insurance portability and are in support of a public OPTION (the keyword is OPTION), quite frankly, democrats care about people, republicans care about profits - it really is that simple. most republicans claim to be Christians, but I hardly see any Christian values in putting billions of dollars in insurance company profits ahead of the health and lives of your fellow citizens. everyone reading my post knows of a horror story involving an insurance company denying a claim, or refusing to cover a procedure that would save a life, or canceling coverage for some minor issue, or making you and your doctor jump through hoops to get the care you need, or paying only part of a claim even though you have paid all of your premiums. all of my republican friends reading this KNOW that the system is broken, but they smell blood in the water and they are willing to play politics with the lives of their fellow citizens just to score political points and cause havoc for the president who they detest. I will close my post with the simplet question: WWJI? Who Would Jesus Insure?


Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Polk, Pierce, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Johnson--all democrats--all involved in the biggest wars in American history....just making a point Milkdud
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Thank Buddha/Allah/Zeus..and so forth ( to the rest of deities) that it pass, now we need a dreadful natural disaster to befall on the Oklahoma Senate delegation.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 12:07 pm
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Oh, and I forgot to add public education....Milkman, democrats also vote to invade/destroy other nations but that's beside the point. I guess all you consider is the Bush and Bush Jr era....
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The best way I know to annoy a Republican is to be fair to the poor and the middle class. They hate that. If you don't believe me, just look at the way they vote. They only thing they vote yes on is wars so the poor and the middle class can die and die quickly.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 12:01 pm
The best way I know how to annoy a liberal is by using facts & logic...will drive them up the wall every time.
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:58 am
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Fernando, socialism in this the country has been around before you where born--social security, public libraries, our military, municipal fire and police departments,etc.. Socialism wasn't such a dirty word as it is used today. Oklahoma, in the 20's, even had the most registered members of the Socialist Party! I don't like this bill anymore than you do, it doesn't make financial sense....
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:51 am
Let Pelosi have her lipstick drenched, rouged face in the sun...The senate will take the house version of health care reform and will use it for fuel to stoke their furnaces. With a house loaded with democrats I am surprised that it passed by such a narrow margin...House members went at it for 14 hours...with limited debate...they deserve another raise for their efforts or at least overtime pay....
Don, Calion - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:45 am
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dappiesdad, You libs are just plain stupid. Bush was never a dictator. Obama is turning this country into a socialist country. The next step is a communist country. Obama & his left hand biach princess Polosi are forcing us to get health insurance and will fine us if we don't. The more and more he takes control of business, this country will look like Cuba, Bolivia, Venezuela, Panama, North Korea, Miramar & etc.
Fernando, Enid - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:38 am
You people act like medicare is free healthcare. It is not free, people pay a monthly premium. It is insurance not a handout. In a great number of cases, the premiums exceed 10% to 15% of a seniors monthly income. That leaves them barely enough to pay bills, and little or nothing for food.
willis, oklahoma city - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:27 am
End our wars, reduce our inflated economy, return to sound money, reduce our dependence for gov't control/handouts/bailouts--then I think we could actually have a better health care system for all.
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:25 am
willis, you gawd-dammed right it's universal health care. We should already have it.
dappiesdad, dappiesplace - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:20 am
Say it, isn't so, Who said anything about GW? Are you a little paranoid? Go read the actual bill and let me help you with some reading comprehension. I've never turned down the illiterate when they need help.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:19 am
Fernando, you may fly you flag upside down if you wish. I flew mine upside down EVERYDAY during the quasi-dictator nazi administration of Bush and traitor Cheney.
dappiesdad, dappiesplace - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:19 am
Heaven help us. This is the first shot. We just took a broadside hit on our freedom. Oh well, no matter we can all learn to speak Chinese. Our insurance rates will more than likely skyrocket in advance of the public option. The goal of the left is to institute universal healthcare, and they have just started the ball rolling...
willis, oklahoma city - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:18 am
I suspect that the people that I have been ignoring are just re-inventing themselves again and again and again. So, to SIIS, before I hit the ignore button again for you, with all my heart, please accept my sincerest wishes that you go fk yourself.
dappiesdad, dappiesplace - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:17 am
Milkman, I did read it. But like the good liberal leech you are you'll twist the words to sell this snake oil to reduce everyone to your miserable standard. I know, Milkie. It's all GW's fault. Please move to California so you may truly enjoy all of your welfare entitlements at the expense of that broke state. You and all like you are parasites on the producers of this world.
Say it, isn't so - Nov 8, 2009 at 11:10 am
Say it, isn't so, did you read what you posted? Did you go to the actual bill and read it? No, you did not. This is the problem with reading comprehension in this state. In the first paragraph of what you posted it says you have to buy insurance from the government. But like a good Republican, you didn't tell the whole story.
It says after 5 years if the private plan provided by your employer doesn't meet the same standards as the government plan, than you'll have to buy the government plan. In other words, it's forcing your employer to provide good insurance and giving them 5 years to do it.

Try the truth instead of just posting any BS you find on the internet put out by hacks. Go read it for yourself.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:56 am
Chris, your insurance bill went up 19.5% under the present system and you are complaining about a bill that will help lower that cost? Geez! Some logic.
Wayne, Prague - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:56 am
Say it, isn't so, Here is the pdf or you can download it http://hearthebill.org/HR3962_Division_A.html. Like I said it before, it is a sad day in America! I am just put the American Flag upside down at the flag pole in my yard.
Fernando, Enid - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:51 am
This will be a disaster. And even when Obama is likely voted out next election, this thing will be in place and will NEVER be revoked. Once it's in place, it's forever. As I've asked before, how will this lower MY healthcare cost? My company just got the 2010 rates from BlueCross...they went up 19.5%. From $405 to $484 per person. It'll cost my company an additional $18,000 to insure our employees next year. As Toby Keith says...'The fit's gonna hit the shan'.
Chris, Jones - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:46 am
http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us./images/THE_NEW_HOUSE_BILL_HR_3962_1_.pdf

Read it and weep. It proves that it's easier to make everyone equally miserable than it is to allow individuals to elevate themselves. Any of you that really want this must not have much to begin with. You leeches on society, you are welcome!
Say it, isn't so - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:38 am
The G.O.A.T., OKC, yes I got it, but I lost it too. And my VA disability check, my free college money, and my welfare money..... It's high time the government started taking care of us that struggle every month and don't have any means of bettering ourselves. Thank God we have casinos so we can have a chance to have a little extra to live on.
UnSub, Yukon - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:27 am
L, Snhawnee: LOL, you're probably way dead on right! One of my favorite comments that I've so far found on-line is "Give it up to Nancy Pelosi . . . , you guys. She’s passed two enormous, signature bills [health care and energy] with a caucus that includes two polar opposite blocs, either of which could kill a bill if it wanted to, and both of which are constantly threatening to do that exact thing. And now health care, like energy, will go to the Senate and somehow emerge as a cap gains tax cut. Hooray!" ;-)
Stephen, Ada - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 am
For all of the crap that's going to be on here about the VA and their health care, read this.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-mccaughey2apr02,0,4451075.story

VA health care was more popular than the private sector and less mistakes.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:17 am
Jim, don’t be misled by misstatements about Medicare benefit cuts. Congress isn’t proposing to cut benefit levels. The House bill would trim projected increases in payments for hospitals, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies and others, including home health care providers and suppliers of motor-driven wheelchairs. But it also proposes what CBO estimates is a $245 billion increase in spending for doctors, by canceling a scheduled 21 percent cut in physician payments. None of the "savings" or "cuts" (whichever you prefer) come from reducing current or future benefit levels for seniors.
Wayne, Prague - Nov 8, 2009 at 10:06 am
Anyone been to the Indian Health clinic on Reno or the VA? If you want to know what government run health care looks like, just drop by one of those facilities and talk with some of the folks waiting in those waiting areas. You'll have plenty of time to talk and you'll hear some unfortunate, but all-too-real stories, I assure you.
Craig, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:52 am
Unsub, did you get your Senior Citizen bailout--or did you spend that at the casino as well lol!?
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:51 am
I'm all for healthcare reform if we can expand coverage and drive down costs, but I think we all know that the drive down costs things is a dream, it will drive costs out the roof. Overall we will be paying much more through premiums and taxes. When the government tries to run something cost and efficiency are the last thing you get. Their is no such thing as a cost efficient government worker or program. In the business world competition, profit and surviability is the opposing driver that makes one have to drive down costs and become efficient or you die. In the government world you don't have those forces and workers are not evaluated as such. So you end up with a bunch of government "welfare" workers that are bound by inefficiency with tons of red-tap bureaucracy that leaves the system damn near worthless. How many times do you hear an agency complain that we don't have enough resources to perform our duties then you see on T.V about 10 of them standing around drinking coffee doing nothing at a minor crime scene.
Dean, Newcastle - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:51 am
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Stephen, I may become one of the "gatekeepers" monitoring the health needs of hundreds of clients. I sincerely hope you are one of them because I will exhibit the same level of tolerance to your health issues as you do toward Oklahomans. After all, I know what's best for you.
Randy, Mustang - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:42 am
I heard this morning on the news that Medicare benefits are going to be cut under this bill. Does anyone know anything about this?
rick, OKC - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:40 am
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Of course it is no secret that the government spends a LOT of money and much of that is waste...it is just a matter of priorities. The left would rather see that money go to providing affordable healthcare and stabilizing a shattered economy...while the right likes to see it spent on bombing third world countries and providing tax benefits to companies who take jobs overseas and pollute the environment. Sure I'd like to see coverage for Americans that was affordable, but not government subsidized...but that is not reality.
John, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:37 am
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I am ready for free government health care. It made me sick that I lost my government check last night at the casino. Now I don't have any money to make payments on my new house that the government gave me $8,000 to buy, my new car the government helped me buy with cash for clunkers, my utilities and buy food. I get food stamps, but I had to sell them to get money to go to the casino on, because I lost all my money last month also.
UnSub, Yukon - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:27 am
Also, folks here have mentioned "Sicko" which was a eye opening movie. But, we have the HMO act alive and kicking, the gov't money vehicle will continue thrive
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:21 am
It still has to pass the Seante, by which time it will likely not be a heath-insurance bill at all, but probably a give away to some third world country that hates us. So chill out.
L, Snhawnee - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:16 am
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Socialism is America's gift to the entire world....strange how it took this long for so called "healthcare reform". Hopefully, my paychecks will be bigger since my company will probably cut my benefits anyway and tell me to go "public"! Or I could pay a "penalty" if I don't! I mean, the gov't will be taking its share from me to pay for this and then make me pay again to use it--sounds very fair for all Americans while we have 2 wars going on and the largest dept in American history that will never stop growing! Do other countries threaten their citizens with a "penalty" for having no insurance? I guess this a baby step, but why not focus on "health insurance reform"? Design them to be lifetime accounts rather than taking my unused premiums and pumping them into profits for each quarter...
The G.O.A.T., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:16 am
Bravo!! Stephen from Ada...end of discussion. See you repubs when the Senate passes this much needed reform. Thankfully, the majority of people who oppose this legislation are from states that get very little representation(electoral votes)...that way the grown ups can be left to make the big decisions.
John, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:15 am
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The level of ignorance and fantasy-plagued paranoia in Oklahoma continues to be breathtaking. Based on the (predictable) hyperventilation this morning, it is abundantly clear that these folks are reacting per script fed to them by the overwrought opinion the dominates our media disguised as "news." And for those who say "a majority of voters" oppose these reforms, you're simply wrong. A majority across the country SUPPORTS these reforms, but the GOP gerrymandering of congressional districts and the polarization of political participation have reduced the representative character of our Congress. Regardless, personally, I'm psyched the reform has FINALLY passed the House and will continue to hope (and support) its passing the Senate. (Being in Oklahoma, of course, "support" to that end will be, um, of limited effect.) Will the reforms work? We'll see. But ultimately the problem is less lack of universal coverage, which is just a symptom of the bigger problem, i.e., runaway costs that are gobbling up our economy in exchange for less and less benefit to consumers. THAT is the problem, and those who oppose health care reform are bizarrely--as has the GOP's "social conservative" base for decades, now--opposing efforts that would benefit their own economic health and security. So be it. I just hope this puppy clears its next couple of major hurdles. The first one, obviously, being the Senate, but the second being even more daunting: Establishing and operating the regulatory system for its maintenance. The problem with government programs is not particularly that "the government" runs them but is, instead, that government programs get hamstrung by our partisan divide that has vested one party with a deep motive for destroying them. It's interesting, you look at the periods of government agency program failure and they occur predominantly (and almost exclusively) during GOP Administrations. Why? In my opinion, two reasons: (1) the modern GOP's ineptitude in governing ANYthing, including its own party; and (2) an ideological bent that is committed to destroying government so that it has a semi-factual premise for its campaign to devolve real power more and more to a corporate elite. None of this stuff is rocket science, folks; it's simply a matter of political will. And the longer that a loudmouthed minority of schizoid do-nothings runs around panting that the Maoists are going to shoot their babies in the womb, etc., etc., the longer it will take for OUR nation to : (a) have the health care system it deserves and (b) end the fleecing of American consumers by a bloated corporate class.
Stephen, Ada - Nov 8, 2009 at 9:05 am
Ma, please enlighten us to the President's criminal activities.
Anonymous, The Internet - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:45 am
The only indictments coming are of Dick Cheney and GWBush for high treason. Most of the previous administration should be put up against a wall and shot. Nazi Bastards.
dappiesdad, dappiesplace - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:44 am
Brock, it is the demise of old ideas. The demise is the idea of a white christian america. That was never what America was about. Good riddance, I say.
Anonymous, The Internet - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:44 am
2010 can't get here soon enough. We can vote out these crooks, investigate and then indict them. Corruption in the office of the presidency should not stand and this president is a lying criminal
Ma, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:41 am
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Someone slipped some delusional in the Beaver city h2o supply.
David, Norman - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:39 am
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I need some healthcare.
jon, oklahoma city - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:39 am
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The last President did a pretty good job of destroying America, it would take a valiant effort to outdo him. The only tax increase in this bill is for people making over 500,000 a year. Sorry you got a tax increase Brock. I know most everyone in Beaver makes more than 500,000 a year.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:38 am
Everybodys taxes are going up, quality of health care is going down with our freedom and liberty decreasing through government intervention. Stealing from others, compounding our national debt, destroying millions of private sector jobs and implementing government control over individual choice is not admirable. Socialism through Liberalism continues to be Americas demise.
Brock, Beaver - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:32 am
There was a spot of comedy in watching the debate on CSPAN last night. Republican John Boehner was giving a long winded criticism of the bill, reading from a speech that must have been written by someone else (probably an insurance company lobbyist)and he pronounced the word "hyperbole" as this: hyper bowl. He never had a clue of his mispronunciation. LOL
Marilyn, Seminole - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:27 am
The citizens of Oklahoma's 1st district voted for a democrat. Instead they got a pussy who's afraid of his office. Dan Boren should be voted out of office next year. I would rather a nazi republican hold the office than him. At least the nazi would vote his actual values. Boren is a joke and a traitor to his party and members of his district who elected him.
dappiesdad, dappiesplace - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:20 am
btw, all predicting gloom and doom for Ds at the next election cycle, don't care if we finally manage to reform the most expensive and corrupt health care system in the world.
David, Norman - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:17 am
We already have a two tier system Barton- those who can afford insurance and thus can see a doctor, and the 50 million or so whose only access to health care is when the condition is dire enough an emergency roon can't deny treatment. That's access to health care for all republicans!? People, a competing option should lower the costs. The ole invisible hand of the free market you all are always going on about. Health providers won't be free to gouge at will. There is no competition at the moment.
David, Norman - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:16 am
Fellow Dems- Just sit back and relax knowing that good is finally being done in Washington. No need to argue with these morons, just laugh at their inability to do anything about it. They can have their tea parties and worship the FOX network, but change is still coming. We sat back for 8 years, while this country ran up record deficits, killed innocent people in unjustified wars, and trampled the Constitution....and WE were helpless, now its their turn. Hahahaa...
Repubs---I know you disagree with all this, and that is your right....but don't think for a minute that you are in the majority. In this state you are surrounded by people who agree with you and you watch your news from people that agree with you, but Obama won in a landslide and will again...the overwhelming majority of people think that this is right for our country.
John, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:10 am
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Richard MC,

Since you've never lived in any of the those places OR used the services shut your piehole. The statement about never havng to wait, good service, is a load of crap. I've been stationed in places where cradle to grave health care is provided, the people who can afford it go to either private or other countries for good service.
K, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 8:04 am
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I agree that something needs to change, but I don't agree that healthcare is a right that everyone should have. Its a privilege and while my desire is to be able to take care of every sick person in America, it simply isn't possible.
Biff, Yourcity - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:55 am
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At least something is being done. There is not a plan out there that will work for every soul in the US but we have to start somewhere. ER's cannot be our health care system for the uninsured. People should be able to go to the doctor and get the care that they need within reasonable expense and not have to pay a crazy amount set by insurance companies who are not covering them any ways. I wonder how many people will avoid medical bankruptcy because of this plan, not to mention being able to avoid an emergency situation because they are able to get regular care and early detection.
Carrie, Del City - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:34 am
Everyone please send a postcard to all the Senate Blue Dog Democrats & kill this idiotic nightmare. Then remember all reps & sens who voted for this next election and do everything within your power next election including donating money to out of state candidates.

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Cecil, Mesquite - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:23 am
Long Live The King...
William, Sweet Home - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:16 am
All five House members from Oklahoma voted against the bill and against the procedural "rule” allowing debate. - This means all five want to continue to allow the highly corrupt Blue Cross Blue Shield to control the Oklahoma medical insurance market and screw our brains out.
David, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:09 am
>> All five House members from Oklahoma voted against the bill and against the procedural "rule” allowing debate.
David, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:08 am
I'm a diehard conservative Republican, but our healthcare system has become a disaster. The National GOP has also become a disaster that doesn't give a damn about people only crony capitalism. G.W. Bush was the worst prez in my lifetime.
crony capitalism.
David, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:06 am
Jeff, I don't know about your statement that anyone can go into any ER and get treatment. If you watch Michael Moore's sicko, you'd see a little girl who had insurance but the ER would not treat her because her Insurance refused to pay, the mother begged and begged and they refused to treat her. She ended up dying.

Another part of the documentary showed an older woman being dropped off in a taxi cab at a clinic, the video was the outside surveilence at the clinic, the woman was dazed and did not know where she was at, the clinic said it happened all the time. This was a large hospital that would not treat her because she was un-insured.

This happens a lot even though they passed laws.
Insurance is one of the largest industries in the world, I have had an insurance license for a long time and know it very well.

I wish it were not so, but it is, and it is all predicted to be this way in the last days of this world, so I don't know why I'm so surprised by it.
Richard, Mc - Nov 8, 2009 at 7:00 am
It's time to quit paying these criminals in Washington. The people who are going to benefit from this theft DON'T PAY ANY TAXES. Where do you think they are going to get the money to pay for this? From the hard working tax paying middle class American who can already afford to buy health insurance and does. They want to keep these Welfare Whore brood mares and their Obama voting offspring healthy. They will enslave you to keep themselves in power.
Jeff, Jacksonville - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:20 am
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I honestly cannot for the life of me understand why Americans are so opposed to the idea of universal health care. 40 million+ without coverage is unbelievable. I spent eight years living in a country with single payer, 'universal' health care...and the 'horror' stories being passed along by the right are in no way close to the truth. This is a great day for America.
Jean Paul, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:15 am
It's time for everyone to quit paying their federal taxes. These "representatives" don't care about what you think. Why should you have to pay to finance their criminality? If you pay these taxes, you are enslaved. It's that simple.
Jeff, Jacksonville - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:11 am
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"we have people dying every day due to not having access to affordable health care."

That is an outright lie. Anyone in America, INCLUDING ILLEGAL ALIENS can go to any emergency room and get treatment. I guarantee you that most people who "can't afford health care" can afford cell phones, tatoos, and cable tv.

Jeff, Jacksonville - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:07 am
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Why don't we all let Michael from Oklahoma City pay our taxes? He's got all the money in the world. Why else would he think it should be free for everyone. Guess what Michael. Nothing in this world is free.
Jeff, Jacksonville - Nov 8, 2009 at 4:01 am
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It's time to overthrow this government. Everyone who is paying taxes should now refuse to pay. Let the people mandating free health care for the welfare slobs pay for it.
Jeff, Jacksonville - Nov 8, 2009 at 3:58 am
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I just want to move to either France, London or Canada for their 'Socialized Medicine' the people I know who live there, whom used to live here say it is 1000% better, one of which had to have an emergency surgery for having a heart attack, no waiting periods, not doctors are too busy, and all that. People here that say socialized medicine is terrible and that it will create more problems than it solves have no idea what they are talking about, 95% of all people will benefit and 5% have issues, but right now 50% of all have *no choice* or even *no insurance*, so I'd say that even Cuba's healthcare is better than over here.

Go watch Michael Moore's Sicko
Richard, Mc - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:49 am
republicans care about profits.....democrats care about people!
Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:44 am
sorry for the typos...my brain thinks faster than my fingers can type.
Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:42 am
i am always amazed at how much concern the republicans have for 'people' before they are born, but they could care less about people AFTER they are actually born and become humans. health care is a life and death issue and the goal of any compassionate human should be for everyone to have easy and affordable access to great helath care. the difference between the tow parties could not be any clearer on this issus: republicans are for the insurance companies and are against any meaningful health care reform, republicans want insurance companies to make billions in profits at the expens of human lives, they want insurance companies to be able to continue their 'death panels' in the form of insurance review boards, and republcians think that low income people who cannot afford to buy health insurance are lazy, welfare loving, freeloaders. most democrats on the other hand support health care reform and access for everyone and support the right of the insurance industries to make a fair profit, democrats support insurance portability and are in support of a public OPTION (the keyword is OPTION), quite frankly, democrats care about people, republicans care about profits - it really is that simple. most republicans claim to be Christians, but I hardly see any Christian values in putting billions of dollars in insurance company profits ahead of the health and lives of your fellow citizens. everyone reading my post knows of a horror story involving an insurance company denying a claim, or refusing to cover a procedure that would save a life, or canceling coverage for some minor issue, or making you and your doctor jump through hoops to get the care you need, or paying only part of a claim even though you have paid all of your premiums. all of my republican friends reading this KNOW that the system is broken, but they smell blood in the water and they are willing to play politics with the lives of their fellow citizens just to score political points and cause havoc for the president who they detest. I will close my post with the simplet question: WWJI? Who Would Jesus Insure?
Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:40 am
"Hopefully, the doctor will speak English."
Jacklyn you remind me why I left Oklahoma
Arly, Montezuma - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:25 am
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why is the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops mentioned in the same sentence as the AMA on this issue? and really people, if you want to keep paying for your overpriced crap insurance, then keep on doing it
Arly, Montezuma - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:22 am
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Poor liberals have been waiting this since the Clinton-era. Finally, democracy. We are the nation of wealthy and God, and so many cannot afford insurance. My support goes to Joseph Cao even though he's Republican.
Huey, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:19 am
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Yep! There's gonna be a lot of new faces in Congress come election time. I can hardly wait until I get to wait for months on end for a doctor's appointment. Hopefully, the doctor will speak English.
God Help America.
Jacklyn, Yukon - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:14 am
Vote the jackasses who voted for this bill out of office. It's time for a CHANGE for sure. Change Congress and then change the President.
God Help America!
Jacklyn, Yukon - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:10 am
oops I mean ALL 209 Democrats and Rep. Joseph Cao, from my earlier post.
Fernando, Enid - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:08 am
It is a sad day in the US. I have never been more ashamed of the elected officials in the House. I will put the American flag upside down for 1 week. It is a sad day. I hope ALL the 204 Democrates and Rep. Joseph Cao will be gone as soon as their terms are over. 2009 what a sad year in America history. 1.) Barrack Obama comes into power. 2.) He nominates several pro-Abortion people for several positions. Let's not forget the Vatican denied three pro-abortion nominees for ambassador to the Holy See (Caroline Kennedy & Douglas Kmiec were two of them). Dr. Miguel H. Díaz eventually got the gig. 3.) He signs an executive order forcing taxpayer funding of embryonic stem cell research. 4.) Obama's Budget eliminates all federal funding for abstinence-only education. 5.) He says he will support the repealing of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. 6.) Obama scrapes the European missile shield for Czech Republic, Poland after Russia begs Obama to stop it. 7.) He receives the Nobel Peace Prize. For what? 8.) Goes to Copenhagen in support of Olympics, but refuses to go to Berlin to commemorate the fall of the Berlin Wall. We as Americans had a big influence it. I believe he wishes it were still up. I can not say it enough, IT IS A SAD NOVEMBER 7th and a sad 2009. I can now say I miss George W. Bush as President!!!!!
Fernando, Enid - Nov 8, 2009 at 2:03 am
We are the great’s nation on this earth, yet we have people dying every day due to not having access to affordable health care. We should have had heath care for everyone years ago, at any price, you cannot put a price on a person life.
V., Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 1:37 am
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The system is not broken. It just needs a little fine tuning. People need a method to finance their healthcare that still allows them to pay the bills. The only people that do not like the system are the free loaders and the Wal-Mart every day low price crowd who think they should be able to get check up for $9.95 and a surgery for $99.97.

This will result in a new cash only members only healthcare system that will be enjoyed by the rich elite, celebrities and politicians. While the working class fights a Wal-Mart level of service goverment run system.

I have a great idea. Why don't we let the governement run everything. Then nobody can make any money and we can all sit at home stealing money from are elderly parents like are pal Milkman.

This bill will kill our healthcare industry. The best and brightest will take their skills to the private sector.
Cowboy, MWC - Nov 8, 2009 at 1:26 am
good bye efficient and effective healthcare, michael i hope your brain tumor doesn't worsen in the 8 months its going to take you to see a specialists because of this awful reform.
Danney, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 1:05 am
that is of course assuming that the senate passes a bill
Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 12:45 am
this is about health care people....not your petty partisan politics! this is about people's lives...our health care system is BROKEN! millions of people do not have health care and cannot afford health care and to do nothing is immoral. the republican lies and smokescreens did not work, the millions of dollars that the health care industry used to campaign against health care reform did not work. now, maybe we can do away with the "death panels" that exist today in the form of insurance review panels. the fact that we let our health care industry arrive at a point where it was making BILLIONS of dollars in profits and at the same time causing the deaths of thousands of Americans is immoral and it is a victory for the working men and women of this country that the health care industry will now be in check.
Michael, Oklahoma City - Nov 8, 2009 at 12:44 am
It just shows that the majority of the House has a brain. Let's hope the Senate can follow through. The Republicans are afraid of health care because they know they are the nothing party. Too bad.
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Milkman, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2009 at 11:52 pm
If this bill passes the Senate - say GOODBYE to the United States of America! We will be the United States of ACORN!
Sooners Win, Norman - Nov 7, 2009 at 10:56 pm
I want moveon.org to come to Okla. to work against Boren. I am not
a Boren fan but I'd really like to see that organization come to OK.
and see the reception they get.
Don, Washington - Nov 7, 2009 at 10:52 pm
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just think of all the new ccongresspeople that will be elected within the next year
richard, oklahoma city - Nov 7, 2009 at 10:31 pm
The majority of people oppose it, so what do they do, pass it. They are definitely looking out for us. Now, all of the liberal minded people can pass their negative remarks on Republicans trying to stop it. Regardless, we cannot afford this.
Phil, Oklahoma City - Nov 7, 2009 at 10:30 pm
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