Groups working to change attitudes
Religion should fight anti-homosexual beliefs, state activists say

By Devona Walker
Published: April 3, 2008

As hundreds gathered Wednesday to support Rep. Sally Kern, R-Oklahoma City, at the state Capitol, fewer than a dozen others gathered separately, warning of the dangers of divisiveness and sectarian politics.

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Kern has said homosexuality was "the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam.” Kern also cited her Christian faith as the basis for refusing to accept the gay lifestyle and attempts to expose the "gay agenda.”

"Religion can be a positive force. It's intended to be a positive voice for folks who may not have a voice,” said the Rev. Jeff Hamilton, head of the Interfaith Alliance of Oklahoma and a former state legislator. "The voice of religion should be speaking out against discrimination. ... my real worry is that in the legislative process, this sectarianism is used to institutionalize prejudice, institutionalize policies that affect negatively people on the margins of life. And that goes contrary to the Christian point of view and Jesus of Nazareth.

"You're entitled as a Christian to have your beliefs even though your factual basis is not sound, but you cannot cloak yourself in holiness and claim that everything you say is factually correct or biblically correct.”

Tearing down the signs
Members of Parents and Friends of Gay and Lesbians, the Respect Diversity Foundation, the Cimarron Alliance and Oklahomans for Equality said they want to elevate the public debate waging between their camp and Kern's legislative office.

"My parents are alive today because of the actions of three Christians,” said Michael Korenblit, president of the Respect Diversity Foundation.

Korenblit's parents narrowly survived the Holocaust, helped to safety by three Americans. At least one of his parents' saviors was killed by the Nazis for helping them escape. Years later, Korenblit asked children of the man who saved his parents why he risked his life for strangers.

"They told me he was a deeply religious man,” Korenblit said, adding that his religious convictions led him to incontrovertible bravery and sacrifice.

Korenblit said his father was confused when he came to pre-civil rights movement Oklahoma, when segregated water fountains, restaurants and buses were commonplace.

"He couldn't understand. ‘How could they come to Germany to save me, and then treat people within their own country this way?'

"But guess what, those colored water fountain signs came down, and this will too,” he said.

Are attitudes changing?
Jeremy Howard, 30, a Norman businessman, said there is a generational element to Kern's words and the subsequent rhetoric that is neither relevant to younger generations nor will be tolerated in the future.

"Even as a good old boy from rural Oklahoma, who grew up in ignorance, I am now an indication that Oklahoma is on the upswing, and our attitudes reflect that change,” Howard said. "As ugly as it was, this allows us to begin the dialogue about who we are as Oklahomans and what we believe in.”

The small group of gay rights supporters spoke about how religious doctrine is interpreted differently and sometimes misinterpreted or used to wedge people apart.

They asked whether the Kern incident would have long-term consequences for a state trying to reinvent itself. In the end, they agreed past divisions would not play a part of the future.

"I think this Sally thing is a last gasp,” Hamilton said.


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I find it interesting that so often the people most opposed to the homosexuality are actually secretly homosexuals themselves. Most recent examples like Ted Haggard, Mark Foley and Larry Craig come to mind. Why is homosexuality the worst sin imaginable to people? Why isn't Rep. Kern attacking child molesters, murderers or the Enron-types who bilked people out of their life savings? What is so compelling about homosexuality to these people? Do some people just need a villain to attack and/or feel superior? I think Rev. Hamilton is a voice of reason--and I would stack his religious knowledge up against anyone in Oklahoma. A degree in Divinity from Yale certainly isn't something you can get by mail order.
Jason, Kansas City - Apr 5, 2008 10:00 AM
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"Current U.S. health regulations prohibit men who have sex with men (MSM) from donating blood. Studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) categorically confirm that if MSM were permitted to give blood, the general population would be placed at risk."
bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 4, 2008 4:24 PM
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Jeff...very bold statement...although misguided. All Bibles fall into two categories of translation: from the Minority Text or the Majority Text (often referred to as Textus Receptus). The bottom line is this...complete a thorough study of the subject with the Majority Text versions, and you will quickly realize the truth. As far as your statement, “traditional values of the Baptist god who declared blacks to be sub-human”. FYI: Independent Fundamental Bible Believing Baptists have never believed this. There are several Baptists branches, and I do not know one branch believing what you have stated. Please provide more information on your statement…evidence please. I believe you are confusing Baptists with another religion. Thanks.
T, PV - Apr 4, 2008 9:34 AM
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The whole issue brings up a good point. How do you *tactfully* uphold truth (that homosexuality is a sin, along with greed, adultery, fornication), without offending someone? Acting out on homosexual tendencies is as wrong as having an adulterous or incestuous relationship. Why should we condone it? Don't make it an issue, and we won't have to comment on it. Get in our face and demand acceptance (NOT the same as tolerance), and we just have to be truthful. Race cannot be changed, BEHAVIOR can, apples and oranges.

It is wrong to harass people, but it is also wrong to let them believe a lie. Quite frankly, all rebellion is sin, and there is only one fix for that sin. The unsaved heterosexual sinner is no less a sinner than an unsaved homosexual. Why draw the line at homosexuality and tolerate adultery and fornication.

Carol, Tuttle - Apr 3, 2008 11:27 PM
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i grew up in oklahoma in a time when people used the bible and their view of christianity to justify racial bigotry. it's bemusing now to see people in oklahoma again using the bible and their own view of christianity to justify sexual orientation bigotry, regardless of how they may frame it. what is the "homosexual agenda" anyway, and is it really such a huge threat to cause such a raucus? it certainly works as a rallying cry, but really, is canada under any more moral degenerative danger than the united states? doesn't appear that way.
lorenzo, san francisco - Apr 3, 2008 8:02 PM
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"Clinton said she and her husband have many gay friends that they socialize with when they get the chance. I've got friends, literally, around the country that I'm close to. It's part of my life," she said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080403/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_gay_rights_2
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 6:58 PM
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Ms.Kern's statements are both ridiculous and further expose the absurdity of fundamentalists. The only gay agenda is equal right for all people as described in the Constitution. No religion shall impose its nonsensical theology on the rest of us. Secondly, the original text of the Bible says nothing about homosexuality. In fact, it supports same-sex relations. Jonathan and David are honored in 1Kings. Saul is condemned for his treatment. The Book of Esther praises the devotion of 2 women to each other, in spite of a society that expected them to be dependent on men. Any negative descriptions are incorrect translations linking cultic abuse of boys as homosexual. Of course when ignorant people regurgitate a book of stories out of context that they don't understand or appreciate the historical significance, they will say stupid things. Secondly, as a supposed Baptist is Ms. Kern representing the traditional values of the Baptist god who declared blacks to be sub-human, or a new one? You can't declare the Bible to be inerrant and then decide an entire race is suddenly actually worthwhile humans. Of course if your idolatrous to imagine yourself as God's annointed gatekeeper, integrity, truth and honor don't really matter.
Jeff, San Antonio - Apr 3, 2008 5:16 PM
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I have listened to and watched Ms. Kern every time I could. I find her offensive, judgemental and rude. I saw her last night on OETA, and neither of the other people could finish a statement without her interrupting them. She attacked the reporter for no reason. Were I her constituent, I'd vote her out, if for no other reason than she is a one-subject representative. If she were truly worried about the children of Oklahoma, she would be fighting for funds to educate them, to provide them with decent health care, to feed them and to make sure they are living in suitable homes. Forget what shelf in the library books are on! Ms. Kern is a nasty, spiteful, person!
Deann, Crescent - Apr 3, 2008 3:34 PM
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You have a very good worldly point Jay. And I can see your view. From the other side, Christians are commanded by God to not judge, but bring to light the sin of the sinner in hopes that the sinner would repent and change. If that person doesn't, then we at least we followed God's will. I will say that there are some that take it too far, and are down right mean about it...and there are others that truly have a sincere heart. Thank you for bringing this up.
T, PV - Apr 3, 2008 3:33 PM
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It is great to see more posts speaking up for traditional family morality, and the rally for Rep. Kern is good news. Our nation will decline from within just as others have throughout history as we abandon the family and morality. Standing up against acceptance of sexual sins, like homosexuality, may help delay the slide as a world leader. I agree that it has been disappointing to observe how the Oklahoman has been critical of Rep. Kern's beliefs.
Raymond, Ada - Apr 3, 2008 3:32 PM
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I am just pointing out the fallacy of choosing specific passages fro mthe Bible to back your argument. Yes, Jesus counciled us to repent and let the Father take care of judgement. So why are people here on earth so concerned with making judgements? If homosexuality is indeed a mortal sin, then God the Father will deal with the sinner in due time. Why are folks here on earth wringing their hands so much about the sin when it has no affect on them?
Jay, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 2:35 PM
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Is this the way non-Christians want Christians and other believers to think/believe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW4LLwkgmqA&NR=1
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 2:03 PM
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You’re free to worship whichever faith you choose, praise whomever you wish as a God. To your own self be true and let other's be. There isn't a jerk in church that wants to see a gay person come out of "rehab" and join the rank-n-file list of church deacons. Honestly, the attack on gays serves as a political topic that will generate funds for items ranging from campaigns to the north wing of the new mega church. It's all about the money. If it didn't generate $interests they'd drop it and move on to something else.
B , wittmann - Apr 3, 2008 1:58 PM
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You’re free to worship whichever faith you choose, praise whomever you wish as a God. To your own self be true and let other's be. There isn't a jerk in church that wants to see a gay person come out of "rehab" and join the rank-n-file list of church deacons. Honestly, the attack on gays serves as a political topic that will generate funds for items ranging from campaigns to the north wing of the new mega church. It's all about the money. If it didn't generate $interests they'd drop it and move on to something else.
B , wittmann - Apr 3, 2008 1:52 PM
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The old law was that we put them to death. The new law states they should repent. Look what Jesus did for the adultress. The Jews were going to stone her according to the old law. Jesus showed commpassion and told her to commit sin no more, not condone it. That doesn't mean the old law was irradicated. It means it no longer receives the death sentence.
Richard, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 1:52 PM
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RE: Jay; You’ve made statements like that before. You’ve blootered His Word. Jesus actually taught that working on the Sabbath was okay. As far as those other items you like to throw around, he addressed them as well. And as far as T goes, yes, you are supposed to love the person, but not the sin. Unfortunately people like to twist the issue and make it a hurtful.
T, PV - Apr 3, 2008 1:40 PM
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"t" from Moore.. Stop it man, you are killing me! That is the funniest post yet!
Jay, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 11:29 AM
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"Jesus said he came to UPHOLD the law, not abolish it. So that means Lev 20:13 STANDS!!!" then we better not catch youeating shellfish (Lev 11:10) or working on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2) or getting a haircut (Lev 19:27) or associate wit ha women during menstruation (Lev 15: 19-24). Leviticus says that i can own slaves (Lev 25:44), can I purchase your daughter? Its all right, you can sell her to me (Exodus 21:7)
Jay, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 11:28 AM
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Why does this have to be a religious thing? Supporters of Homosexuality don't seem to understand that people have to be indoctrated into the practice. Nature, provides truth during puberty. A male is excited by a female and a female is excited by a male. But, when someone is differnt, possibly a female is "butch" she is catorgorized as a homosexual, or vise versa. They are picked on and told they homosexual. Then some kind homosexual indoctrinates them into the practice. Where is this being religious? We who are of faith should love those individuals when they are pained. Not through stones at them! Needless to say it is not a Godly adgenda, nor his casting stones. God is Love! Peace
t, moore - Apr 3, 2008 11:15 AM
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RE: Floyd R, Purtle Post - Apr 3, 2008 6:30 AM...You are 100% correct! Just because we may voice our opinion does not mean we condemn or hate anyone..or that we judge anyone. On a side note…let me just say that just because Jesus did not mention anything against homosexuals (which the old test doesn't either but it does describe what it is) does not mean that Jesus accepted it either NOR retracted what His Father labeled it as. Oh, and by the way, parts of the O.T. law Jesus did retract…and homosexuality was not on the list.
T, PV - Apr 3, 2008 11:01 AM
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I don't understand where Rev. Hamilton is going with his statement. He tells us that we cannot discern the scriptures for ourselves? We've left the dark ages, sir. The church no longer tells us that we cannot read and understand the scriptures. Jesus died for all, homosexuals, those who commit adultry, those who kill, those who bring dishonor upon their parents. This Jesus also told those whom he cleansed to go and sin no more. Not justify sin and insist that everyone tell you that you are a good person, a right person for sinning. I challenge you Rev. Hamilton and anyone who is ordained to show me in the Holy Bible where it is OK to practice homosexuality. It is not. It is sin. It is pride to believe that we can do whatever we want to do fufill all of our desires. Pride is also a sin. If Jesus Christ is your Lord and Master you are forgiven for your sins, none of us are without sin. But sin is NOT OK.
Rebecca, Owasso - Apr 3, 2008 10:57 AM
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As an ordained Minister of the Gospel I of Christ I would like to make one comment. If you believe the bible to be the true word of God, then you must believe it when it says that God is the same yesterday, today and forever. God has and will always hate sin, however he provided a new covenant through the blood of Jesus to cleanse yourselves. This does not give you the green pass to continue to live in sin. There is a big differences in falling short and sinning and living a sinful lifestyle. Jesus teaches us to love one another but no where in the bible does it say to love a sinful lifestyle. Therefore I will conclude this, don't use Jesus as a cop-out to live a sinful lifestyle. If you are truly a Christian then you know the bible to be true and know that God does not now or ever except Sin in any fashion. Sincerely, Rev. Davis
Ronnie, Wilburton - Apr 3, 2008 10:18 AM
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Jesus said he came to UPHOLD the law, not abolish it. So that means Lev 20:13 STANDS!!!
Richard, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 9:32 AM
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I am a Christian. Jesus DID NOT say one word that was written down and recorded in the bible about homosexuals. The homosexual scripture is in the old testament, that the Jewish Rabbi's wrote.

Jesus, that's how I roll!
Randy, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 9:23 AM
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Want something from the Bible? Lev. 20:13, "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads". NIV. Other translations state the same thing. Unless you twist scripture to fit your lifestyle.
Richard, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 9:22 AM
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"You're entitled as a Christian to have your beliefs even though your factual basis is not sound, but you cannot cloak yourself in holiness and claim that everything you say is factually correct or biblically correct.”

I find it funny that the gay and lesbian movement obviously thinks their own statement above applies to everyone except them. Does anyone else see that the inidvidual being stripped of her right to say what she believes is Sally Kern?
Bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 9:06 AM
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Bill, your the only person that I have seen make any sense here in some time. Thanks for the information.
Joe, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 8:48 AM
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Having recently moved to Oklahoma, I am continually shocked by the bold and hateful comments of self-righteous Christians when it comes to the issue of gay rights. I've lived in both Kansas and Texas and attitudes are far more accepting. I sincerely doubt Jesus would be in your camp, casting stones. Where is the Christian love? You may believe you're in the right, Bill and others, but I suspect Jesus would pull you aside and let you know that you're wrong to vent your spleen in such a negative way. In addition, I bet you have some skeletons in your closet that you wouldn't want Jesus to know about. Time to go to confession?
Andrew, Lawton - Apr 3, 2008 8:37 AM
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Thank you Bill. Have you considered a career as a political reporter? As a Christian I am once again mbarrassed for Mrs. Kern.
Randall, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 7:58 AM
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Kevin, Carbondale - Apr 3, 2008 7:42 AM
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Let's stop pretending here that there is some "moral" basis for opposing the right of American citizens to form their own relationships, worship according to their own conscience, visit each other in the hospital, make decisions about their remains upon death, or control the distribution of their property.

Demanding that the laws, and the state constitution, be used to abridge the human rights of any portion of the population here isn't protecting morality, it's imposing "religious" tyranny.
Kevin, Carbondale - Apr 3, 2008 7:42 AM
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This "reporter", Devona Walker, totally missed the story. This was a giant rally. There was no parking within a mile of the capitol. The line extended OUTSIDE the building as the rally started. Yet the reporter, Devona Walker, grudgingly snips that "hundreds gathered". Hey Devona - it was in the thousands! And for a rally the media barely publicized. (I wonder if she was one of the straggling reports standing near me - a twenty something with a bored, put upon expression). And what kind of stupid line is "Are attitudes changing?" Go back to Journalism 101. Stop trying to insert your politics into the news. Hey Devona - here's a newsflash for you; 100,000 heretics across the nation, along with a sneering media, just finished a two week attack on a Christian Lady from Oklahoma. It wasn't a fair fight. The Christian Lady won hands down - not a hair out of place!
bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 6:34 AM
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from one floyd to another, what a horrible post. Jesus knew sinners' hearts, but he "came not to judge the world." He offered (and offers) sinners forgiveness, not judgment. If there was any judgment, it was to those who passed judgment on others. I can stand with Mrs. Kern when she says the homosexual AGENDA is dangerous to the fabric of American society, but we can oppose gay marriage, adoption, and public immorality, without condemning the individuals.
Floyd R, Purtle - Apr 3, 2008 6:30 AM
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"Current U.S. health regulations prohibit men who have sex with men (MSM) from donating blood. Studies conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) categorically confirm that if MSM were permitted to give blood, the general population would be placed at risk."
bill, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 6:30 AM
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Floyd, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 4:17 AM
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No one ever lived that was more prejudiced(which means pre-judge) than the Messiah. He called non-believers "fool" and said they were children of their father, the devil. Then in Revelation, using John He calls 2 groups the churches of Satan.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Apr 3, 2008 4:17 AM
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