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Donor Madeleine Pickens refuses to fund OSU vet work
CONDITIONS PUT ON $5M FOR OSU

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Published: February 24, 2009

STILLWATERMadeleine Pickens isn’t sure how her $5 million donation to Oklahoma State University will be spent, but she’s sure it won’t be at the Center for Veterinary Health Sciences.


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Animals at Oklahoma vet techs
The three veterinary technology programs in Oklahoma all use live animals in their training.

Murray State College in Tishomingo
The college has a partnership with the Ardmore animal shelter, said Carey Floyd, director of the veterinary technology program. The students examine the animals and perform lab work. They also assist Floyd with spaying and neutering the animals by administering anesthesia and completing other tasks. If the animal needs to be euthanized, the students will assist Floyd with the procedure. The students practice on models before working with the animals, she said.

Oklahoma State University- Oklahoma City
Students perform exams on their own dogs, spokeswoman Evelyn Bollenbach said. The students are allowed to bring their own animals in the classroom for practice work. The students also work shifts helping with surgical prep and recovery at the Oklahoma City animal shelter.

Tulsa Community College
Students spend an entire semester with the shelter animals they work with, said Jan Weaver, coordinator of the school’s vet tech program. The program adopts animals from the Sand Springs animal shelter, and students spend the semester practicing such techniques as deworming and health exams. At the end of the semester, students find responsible adopters to keep the animals.

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Two months ago, she said she would give the money to the veterinary program, but Monday she sent a letter to OSU President Burns Hargis asking her donation go elsewhere.

"I haven’t changed my mind about the donation,” she said. "It’s still going to go to OSU. But I’m very concerned about the practices at the vet school.”

Pickens said she particularly takes issue with the practice of buying animals from dealers and then performing multiple operations on those animals before they are euthanized. Pickens described the dealers as "less than reputable.” She said she heard this information from a student in the OSU veterinary program.

"We live in the 21st century,” she said, "and we have new ways of doing things.”

Pickens said she and Michael Lorenz, dean of the Center for Veterinary Health Sciences, have different philosophies.

Lorenz issued a statement through the OSU press office after declining interviews with the media.

Lorenz said the information Pickens received was mostly incorrect.

"No more than two surgeries are performed on any dog,” Lorenz said in his statement.

"Terminal dog surgeries are used at the majority of the United States veterinary colleges.”

For the past few months, Lorenz and his faculty have been looking to expand their surgical program to work with local shelter animals, OSU spokesman Gary Shutt said. The program would allow students to operate on animals and then return them to the shelter for adoption. The program has stagnated because it would require three extra staff positions. Students would require closer supervision because shelter dogs would not be eventually euthanized like the purchased dogs are.

OSU pays $139 per dog, Shutt said. Shelter dogs would be free.

Animals used at the 28 veterinary colleges nationwide come from a variety of sources, said Mike Chaddock, deputy director of the Association of American Veterinary Medical Colleges. The most common sources for live animals are breeders, shelters and pet owners.

Professors must balance education with animal welfare, Chaddock said. Many teachers will use diagrams, cadavers or models if possible, but sometimes working with a living animal is the only way to train students.

"I would equate it to human procedures,” he said. "There are some procedures we’d hope our doctor learned to do on a real patient.”

All veterinarians — whether they’re working with animals or students — work within the veterinarian oath, Chaddock said. One of the pillars is to relieve animal suffering.

"We want to make sure that everybody treats these animals in a humane and proper way,” he said. "We believe our schools do.”

Working with live animals gives students invaluable training, said veterinarian and OSU graduate Rory Stricklin of Wewoka.

"It’s just one step forward to becoming a better practitioner,” Stricklin said. "They show you what needs to be done and keep you from making the same mistakes they did.”

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She is a loon.
A, mustang - Feb 25, 2009 at 7:02 am
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Hearing this information "from a student" is like evaluating the hiring and termination practices of a company from a disgruntled ex-employee. One would think Ms. Pickens would see through this. This publicity hurts OSU; probably more than all of their noteworthy contributions. Making a decision on one piece of information usually leads to an incorrect decision.
Henry, Dontoknow - Feb 25, 2009 at 3:43 am
T Boone needs to put a muzzle on Madeleine. Her words and opinions are doing more to harm animals than she could probably believe. She led the effort to ban horse recycling (trying to be sensitive and not use the S word) which has meant that thousands of horses have died of starvation (the most inhumane method of death). And now she does not want veterinarians to use live animals for teaching. The fact is that medical schools use many more live animals than veterinary medicine but I hope that she doesn't harass the medical schools. Maybe she should donate T Boone's money to more research in population control. or better yet just enjoy the sunset in the panhandle or go quail hunting with her hubby.
Ronald, Stillwater - Feb 24, 2009 at 6:42 pm
This bothers me on so many levels. For starters, Mrs. Pickens (who has a right to do as she wishes with her money, though that is not the issue), took what I would consider a very poor source of information, never followed up on the accusations, then used incorrect and unsubstantiated information to tarnish the reputation of numerous professionals and the college. The method described for surgeries performed by students is not correct. I can personally assure you that these animals are cared for, given compassion, great pain relief and medications for stress before any procedure is performed, and no painful procedures are performed while allowing the animal to be recovered. For those of you who use the comparison between human medicine, take into consideration that many human surgeons practice on animals before doing human surgeries. It takes several more years of training for a human surgeon to be allowed to do surgery, and while that would be great for veterinary medicine, it is also partly the reason you can spay a dog for $200, and the same procedure on a human would cost closer to $10,000. Or fix a broken leg for $3000, that a comparable human surgery would be closer to $50000. So think about this the next time you have a dog that needs surgery, not only would the vast majority of people not be able to have the surgery done, there would be a slim number of vets available to perform the surgery due to extra training. With the current method, vets after 4 years of training are capable of performing numerous surgeries with great results right out of school. This certainly keeps the cost of these procedures down and makes these surgeries available to the common pet owner and not just the rich. If you think that practicing surgery on a dead animal, or plastic animal in any way compares to a live surgery, then let your pet be spayed by someone who has never done a live animal before.
Mark, Jenks - Feb 24, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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Jason, appartently you are not a very observant person. I signed my name at the end of my comment since I was using my husband's account. I was not in anyway shape or fashion defending Mrs. Picken's or her actions. I have friends in the vet school, and know the rest of the story. My problem is that the people responding to this blog are SUPPOSED to be adults but they are by making comments on someone's personal appearance are acting like children of junior high age. If you disagree with something that someone is doing great that right is what our country is based on but stick to the issue. Signed Allison using her husbands account!
Chris, Stillwater - Feb 24, 2009 at 2:24 pm
My dog had to have screws placed in his leg after he blew out his knee. I had the surgery done in North Dallas and the procedure gave him 3-4 more good years on his life. Nobody likes the fact that there are too many dogs and too few good owners in the world. Euphanasia is a fact of life in America. If the dogs are too be euphanized anyway, better that they are utilized, prior to euphanasia, to improve vets skills to enhance the lives of dogs lucky enough to have good owners. I know that the OSU vet school is one of the best in the area. I know good vets all over the area that went to school there and they are all excellent. Mrs. Pickens has the right to send her money where ever she likes. However I wish she wouldn't feel the need besmudge the reputation of an excellent program with out solid evidence and knowledge of what she is talking about!
Smith, Ft. Worth - Feb 24, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I'm not a vet student or anything, but I do have some insight into this that I want to share. Our puppy was recently diagnosed with hip dysplasia, and the recommended treatment was to do a total hip replacement. I decided to take her to OSU (following several recommendations) and I couldn't be happier with the staff there. Not only did they thoroughly explain the detailed procedures, but they went above and beyond to make sure that everything went smoothly. For example, they had the right sized replacement hip for the surgery, but were temporarily out of stock of the size bigger, so they decided to delay the surgery by two days just in case they needed the bigger size. Also, the student who was assigned to my dog called me every night with an update of how she was doing. You could definitely tell by the interactions with all of the staff that they sincerely care about the health and comfort of the animals. I think the original story has to be complete garbage, and without any evidence of the cruelty that was asserted, I am completely blowing off the assertions. I would take my pets back there again without any hesitation at all, and highly recommend the hospital to others.
John - Feb 24, 2009 at 1:34 pm
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"Chris, Stillwater" @ 1:02 pm sounds a lot like an outraged husband rushing in to defend his honey-bunny...T. Boone, is that you?
Jason, Edmond - Feb 24, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Guess Mrs. T. Boone needs her 15 minutes of fame. She sure looks alot younger than T. Boone, now maybe thats a story in itself.
Terry, Norman - Feb 24, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I agree that Mrs. Pickens should have done her homework before donating the money. But for those of you blessed to work some where that polictics is not involved in daily conduction of business keep this in mind. Had Mrs. Pickens asked the director of the vet school if this was going on would he have answered truthfully? I doubt it. I would also like to address all of the individuals who have attacked Mrs. Pickens person appearance... are you still in junior high???? If you as an ADULT disagree with what Mrs. Pickens or anyone else for that matter has done or is doing then stick to the issue don't make a personal attack on their appearance. Louis, if you are an OU fan that is fine, but before making up a derogatory name for a town keep in mind that there are people who live in Stillwater that are proud of their community - university or no unversity - and they do not deserve to have their town ridiculed.
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Chris, Stillwater - Feb 24, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Just a thought here.....Madeleine turns 52 on March 5. Her skin looks pretty tight. I wonder if she uses cosmetics for that or some other means. Anywho...if she uses cosmetics, are any of them tested on or made from animal parts? Maybe she can give an interview and let us know.
Louis Friend, Norman - Feb 24, 2009 at 12:47 pm
If this is all true, the lives of these animals must certainly be miserable from the beginning. I've seen puppy mills and the inhumane practices that go on there. Then the dogs get freedom - freedom to be caged all their lives. That is, in-between unnecessary surgeries and painful recovery times - unloved, never knowing true love from a human companion.

Do they really need to do this? Let's ask human doctors how they manage to get through medical school without finding a homeless man, performing needless operations, imprisoning him against his will, and then eventually killing him. Many people without insurance will go to teaching hospitals, so it's safe to presume that many people who cannot afford pricey procedures for their beloved animals would do the same.

Even if they have the greatest bedside manner possible, and are as perceptive to the individual needs of these dogs for their entire short lives, they cannot claim to love them. If that's what their love is, I feel just as much sympathy for their families as I do these dogs.
Mandy, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Why do people take the word of this woman about what happens at the OSU vet school. From what I read, she based her statements on anecdotal stories from a single student without any kind of research of followup. This woman, simply because of her financial standing, has slandered the university based only on hearsay. Deplorable. Until this article I had never seen her or heard her mentioned. Perhaps she was tired of hubby getting all of the attention.
Bryan, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Casey, First, thanks for trying to help unwanted animals. I took in many old dogs that were dumped by my farms and took care of them until they died. Had I not taken them in they would die of starvation or get killed getting run over, standing where they were dumped hoping for their heartless owner to come back. But the owners probably had already replaced them with a cute puppy. OSU and other Vet. Universities actually do the animals a favor as well as, strange as it may sound, the asshole that dumped their pets in the first place. Sorry for running down assholes-the ones you sit on do have a function.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 12:30 pm
How very disturbing. Using and then killing the homeless, unloved, and unwanted animals so that, in the future, you can perform surgeries better on animals that have owners with money. Makes me sick. Oh America, the great land where dollars are always the most important factor! As an animal lover and a person who spends all of her extra time volunteering at animal shelters (namely the Stillwater Humane Society and Stillwater Animal Control), I cannot imagine claiming that I "love animals" then participating in terminal surgeries. I was a fool for assuming that veterinary students do actually have animals' best interests in mind. (Thanks for pointing that out to me, Eva.) Just as medical students do NOT perform terminal surgeries on human patients, veterinary students should NOT perform terminal surgeries on animal patients. What a hoax, what a scam, what an illusion we've been buying into. I applaud the vet students who stand up to this common practice in vet schools.
Casey - Feb 24, 2009 at 12:08 pm
It's interesting how many commenters on this story assume that because vets are doctors for animals, they must love animals and not want to hurt them. Do you make the same assumptions about doctors for humans? I've certainly encountered many doctors who definitely disliked their fellow man. What they enjoyed was the science behind the functioning of the human body, not the actual person inside that body.
Eva - Feb 24, 2009 at 11:38 am
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Stinkerpants and Virginia- The barbaric practices she described are NOT done at OSU vet school. Students and faculty committed to the welfare of all animals would never allow those things to occur.
Shana - Feb 24, 2009 at 11:31 am
I would like to begin this with the fact that I am a 3rd year veterinary student at OSU right now. I participated in the surgery lab which is slandered in the news articles today. There is no truth to the statement that "The students break legs and remove kidneys". I want to clear that up first. We performed routine spays and neuters. These are the exact same procedures which many of you have performed on your own pets by veterinarians. We provided the animals with a level of care which is equal or better to that which you would find at any veterinary clinic in the nation. They had pre-operative, intra-operative, and post-operative pain medication. Another issue that needs to be addressed is the fact of the dean not getting out in front of the media and speaking about this "story". He was essentially given a gag order by the university. I assume this is due to the fact that money talks and OSU is worried that if they offend Mrs. or Mr. Pickens that the university would not receive any more money from the couple. Letting the veterinary school take the fall on this issue has really lowered my image of Burns Hargis and the president’s office at OSU. I know money talks, but at the end of the day facts need to be facts and you have to live with the choices you make. I know what goes on at the school as I am here on a daily basis, but I hope the rest of the state and world will learn of what truly occurs within our walls (not what Mrs. Pickens says goes on).
I wanted to add that I am not bitter towards Mrs. Pickens for taking her money away. The money was never truly gifted to the Veterinary School at OSU. It was given to OSU and had the possibility of being channeled to the Veterinary School. She is free to do with her money what she would like, I just wish she would have her facts straight and not speak in a false manner about the Oklahoma State University College of Veterinary Medicine.
Joe, Stillwater - Feb 24, 2009 at 11:28 am
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Thank you Mrs. Pickens. I totally agree with you. I had no Idea that they were so abusive to the animals. How Barbaric, and cruel. Please don't fund this kind of animal abuse. Thank you so much for all your contributions to the college.
virginia, lake dallas - Feb 24, 2009 at 11:23 am
If the OSU Vet school does to animals what she says they do, she shouldn't give them the money.
stinkerpants, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 11:17 am
Larry- I agree. The vet school at OSU has NEVER accepted money from Mrs. Pickens. In fact, the 5 million discussed in this article was never promised to the vet school. She gave it to the university, not us.
Shana - Feb 24, 2009 at 11:06 am
Attacking Ms. Pickens' own surgical options is off the subject. If she said she would donate the money, then she should donate the money. Otherwise, it makes her look like a liar. If she failed to do her research before she opened her mouth, that is her failing, not the failing of the Vet School. All the people I've known who chose to work with animals did so because they wanted to help animals, not to inflict unnecessary pain on them.
Lorrie, Yukon - Feb 24, 2009 at 10:45 am
Boone Pickens' association with the West Texas University, Canyon, TX athletic department and university leadership killed the scholarship program at WTU when Boone was in Amarillo. In recent years he has affected the same thing to OSU. Make them dependent on you, then suddenly there is a new athletic director.

This looks like the same concept applied by his wife.

The program would be better and OSU would be safer if Mr Hargis tells them to keep their money.
Larry, edmond - Feb 24, 2009 at 10:36 am
Seems she has so much botox and collagen implants, her pathetic attempt at a smile looks more like a grimace. I think if all her tightening came loose, she'd look like a deflated balloon. I wonder what else has been lifted, tucked, and/or implanted?
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 9:58 am
Perhaps, Mrs. Pickens would consider donating to The University of Pennsylvania's New Bolten Center in Kennett Square, Pennsylvania. After all, they did so much for Barbaro and they continue to study Laminities, the killer disease in horses.
Pattie, Pickens - Feb 24, 2009 at 9:49 am
It amazes me what a "natural" beauty Ms. Pickens is. If her face was stretched any tighter she'd be a lampshade.
Jason, Seattle - Feb 24, 2009 at 9:16 am
Plastic surgery = EPIC FAIL
Carrie, Edmond - Feb 24, 2009 at 9:07 am
I urge anyone with questions to ask their veterinarian about what happens at OSU or the vet school they attended. I glad to see some follow up on this article, but still disapointed OSU Vet Med has received unwarranted bad publicity (IMO). It's not a perfect world and trust (I'm married to a vet) me the dogs they use during jr surgury do not suffer with pain etc.
Mike, Edmond - Feb 24, 2009 at 8:18 am
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Prehaps Ms. Pickens should go observe for herself the practices and procedures and gain first hand information on which to make her decision.
Richard, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 8:09 am
I saw this blog entry and thought I'd link it:http://winnielovesus.blogspot.com/2009/02/terminal-surgery.html It explains terminal surgery on animals by vet students.
Steve, Oklahoma City - Feb 24, 2009 at 1:15 am

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