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David Stanley Ford

Bad blood continues to boil in OU-Texas feud

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Published: July 30, 2009



IRVING, Texas — In the days leading up to the 1976 Red River Rivalry, bad blood boiled to a point not even our nation's President could strike an accord.


Texas wide receiver Jordan Shipley talks to the media at the Big 12 football media days Wednesday in Irving, Texas. (Photo by Bryan Terry, The Oklahoman)

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Texas coach Darrell Royal accused Barry Switzer of spying on his practices, prompting both coaches to volley insults through the media. There for the pregame coin toss, President Gerald Ford failed to get either coach to talk to one another while meeting both before the game, which ended in a tie.

Now, another tie has ratcheted up the bad blood.

Texas fans continue to be incensed their Longhorns were passed over for the Big 12 Championship for a team they beat by double digits.

Sooner fans remain irate Texas tried to change the rules midstream, then claimed a Big 12 title it didn't even play in.

"Some of our fans are still bitter about things that were done," said Sooner quarterback Sam Bradford.

Tiebreakers and flyovers and asterisks and Jamarkus McFarland have left fan bases on both sides seething still.

"It's out there and you can't help but notice it," said former Texas football and baseball player Keith Moreland, now color commentator for the Longhorn radio broadcasts. "I cover other sports and do other things, but always, there's not a chance I can walk into any place with anybody who's known what I've done for the last 10 years that they don't ask about this particular rivalry and something that's taken place between last year's game and this point.

"It should be an interesting October."

Every time rising tensions begin to settle, another pail of gasoline, it seems, is tossed into the fire.

"Pretty sure people out there are still upset," said linebacker Roddrick Muckelroy, whose Longhorns were the featured event Wednesday during the final morning of Big 12 Football Media Days.

Among other things, the catalyst for all the acrimony was Texas' push the last week of the 2008 regular season to stay ahead of OU in the BCS via a political campaign that made the Big 12 tiebreaker feel like a gubernatorial race.

Numerous Texas students and boosters contributed to a fund that paid for a flyover in Stillwater before the Bedlam game carrying a banner with the inscription "45-35, settled on a neutral field" to remind voters of Texas' victory over OU in the Cotton Bowl. Texas coach Mack Brown also went on TV during the OU-OSU game to plead his team's case for several minutes, which wasn't received well by Sooner fans.

Later, unrelated to the tiebreaking controversy, a juicy New York Times article detailing the recruitment of high schooler Jamarkus McFarland to Norman suggested recruiting improprieties and questionable behavior on the part of Texas boosters. Longhorn coach Mack Brown later slammed the article as biased.

Finally, sparking an outrage among Sooner fans, reporters in Austin revealed in April that someone on the Longhorn football staff had put "2008" with an asterisk on a wall listing Texas' Big 12 championships inside the school's Moncrief-Neuhaus training facility.

The next day, the asterisk was taken down.

The bad blood, however, boiled yet again.

"It's going to be pretty rough this year, because of how much controversy there was last year," said OU defensive tackle Gerald McCoy. "Not with the players. But with the fans, it's going to be outrageous."

Said Bradford, "I'm sure this year when we meet in the Cotton Bowl, there's going to be a little extra added on it."

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I am so intense about this rivalry I am about to rip my own testicles off
Travis, OKC - Aug 2, 2009 at 9:27 pm
OU will whup the cows and start another streak of victories in the series...
Jeff, Tulsa - Jul 31, 2009 at 9:43 pm
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There's only 2 things that come out of Texas.....steers and tears.
J.T.(I), Norman - Jul 31, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Get over it....Texas Sucks!
Sooner Born, Sooner Country - Jul 31, 2009 at 10:11 am
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Chris, Jenks - Jul 31, 2009 at 9:44 am
I'm still mad about the 76 tie!
Kris, Nashville - Jul 31, 2009 at 8:50 am
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HEY JO IN EDDUMB, OR EDMOND, EITHER WAY, YOU STATED WITH MIKE HE WOULD WIN 90 % OF THE TIME. WHAT DO YOU CALL WHAT HE HAS DONE THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S LOSING 4 OR 5 GAMES A YEAR. TERD
mark, amarillo - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:42 pm
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This is sooo last year. Maybe a few pathetic shorthorn fans are still upset, but that's it.
Gary, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:28 pm
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This story is a bunch of bull. I'm an OU fan living in Texas and Texas fans aren't upset anymore about last year. Give us a break!
Everyone is just looking forward to this year. Quit beating a dead horse and let's play ball!
Jim, Arlington - Jul 30, 2009 at 7:35 pm
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Hey David, I think you need to get a grip and come to terms with the fact that you were in control of your destiny and lost. The facts are that last year there was a THREE way tie. No matter how you try to rationalize it, we all lost to someone. Team A lost to Team B by double-digits at a neutral field early in the season. Late in the season Team C dominated Team B at home, and when they lost the lead, they immediately regained it for the win. Then Team A completely dominated Team C. Looks to me sending Team A to the title game was the only logical decision. Tell me where am I missing common sense?
Rhonda, Euless - Jul 30, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I don't know what you see every Saturday Jo, but I see 11 and 12 win seasons consistently. OU had 12 wins last year, just like they did in 2002, 2003, and 2004. And 11 wins in 2006 and 2007. I don't see the problem. Obviously I'd like to beat texas and osu every year, but I also like winning 11 and 12 games. If you ask me if I'm ok with beating texas and osu every year but finishing 8-4 and winning the freaking Alamo Bowl...No I'm not. I'll take Big 12 titles and shots at the NC, thanks
Eric, Yukon - Jul 30, 2009 at 4:57 pm
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OU fans, wake up. Starting with the '04 season Stoops has not had a look of a confident
coach. He used to walk the side lines with a smirk on his face because he knew he was the
man to beat, he was in charge, not so since his brother left. His brother and him were a
brilliant pair of defensive minds. They had give and take on game situations, not so since
he left. When Leach, Mangino, Long, were in charge Stoops didn't care, he knew they would put enough points on the board to win, and he and Mike would formulate a defense to
win. 90% of the time it worked. His ego got the best of him a few times playing OSU, he
underestimated Lester Miles, thats when the smirk started coming off and he realized OU
fans and supporters wanted wins with OSU as well as Texas. If Stoops goes to the Cotton Bowl in October and throws out another performance like last season, all those UT supporters
and Alumni that paid for the fly over of Lewis Field in Stillwater will get their money back in
spade's Switzer had many changes in staff during his tenure, and the team always prospered. The AD, the Press, the Sports Animal, etc. can't cover forever what we as fans
see every Sat. on Fox, ESPNU, Foxsw. Remember Stoops is Deans, Al's, Mark's, WWLS,
Morning Animals, and to a certain extent the DO cash cow. Believe what you see not
what you hear or read.
jo, edmond - Jul 30, 2009 at 4:25 pm
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Chris, your absolutely right. Why give money to a rival school? You see it everywhere around here. Stupid.
jampalbo, norman - Jul 30, 2009 at 4:17 pm
I think it's cool of OU fans to buy Texas Longhorn stickers and display them upside down on their cars. Due to licensing agreements, a portion of each purchase goes to fund the Texas athletic department. Brilliant!!
Chris, Jones - Jul 30, 2009 at 3:34 pm
OU fans may not have a clue as to who the better team was last season, but I assure the OU players do.
UT_Norman Campus - Jul 30, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Or, how about a fly over before the October game, "Texas quits in 2nd half - 2009." Or both.
David, Grant - Jul 30, 2009 at 1:26 pm
How about a fly over before the October game, "Texas #2 in Big 12 South - 2008."
David, Grant - Jul 30, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Chris, the fact that you're happy finishing 2nd in the Big12 South speaks volumes. I'll take Big12 Champs any day over 2nd in the division.
CC, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 1:19 pm
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David,

Let's talk about some facts:
1) UT scored more 4th quarter points in 2008 than OU did. Please, do some research before you get all righteous on anybody.
2) UT led TT for a total of 1:32 seconds. You weren't exactly lighting it up the entire game.
3) UT scored 21 4th quarter points on a terrible A&M team to try and sway votes.
4) Your out of conference schedule did you in. Why do none of you recognize that? It will happen again this year. Wyoming, seriously? That's the best you could come up with?
5) The season consists of more than one game. - Why is this such a hard concept to grasp?

Now, about that pipe...
CC, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 1:15 pm
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if it wasnt for vince young mack brown would just be another good coach that cant get it done.
erik, spring - Jul 30, 2009 at 11:26 am
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Already seen it. I don't have any issue with McCoy, or even many of the UT players. Most of them are probably great guys, especially these two. Its some of the crazy fans (and a coach) that drive me nuts. Plus I just like the banter
Eric, Yukon - Jul 30, 2009 at 11:16 am
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hey guys give it a rest go to newsok.com qnd read the article on sam and colt two great q-backs and two great guys they have figured it out it's time to move on to what should be one of the best games ever this year sit back and enjoy it henry
henry, elmore city - Jul 30, 2009 at 11:12 am
Well Eric seeming that Texas likes to get one every 35 years, that makes 105 more years before they catch up. OU will have the lead by then over Notre Dame and Alabama. But UT will have many more Holiday Bowl victories (bigger fish to fry)...
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:59 am
blah,blah,blah..just get it done, OU. No excuses this year, OU.
Boomer, Washington - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:56 am
Nope, I said it right, OU has played for the NC 4 times since 2000. Thats almost half the time. So they haven't won them all. But you definitely can't win it without playing it (unless you use an asterick, childish). So again, enjoy playing in other bowl games. Win or lose, OU is the better team.
Also I know you are so high and mighty about head to head lately (don't be too quick to forget the 5 straight trouncings of UT a few years ago), but as someone stated, thet ultimate goal is championships. So let's count up national titles while we're at it. Let me know when you get to 7
Eric, Yukon - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:49 am
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David, Tech owned Texas the whole game...after the first half I was convinced it would be a blowout. Good job on coming back in the final minute but bad job on keep that lead for less than a minute.
Brandon, edmond - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:45 am
OU sucks.
chris, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:41 am
You enjoy your fun little bowl games and coming in 2nd in the conference. We will keep winning and playing for the NC. Thanks David
Eric, Yukon - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:13 am

You meant to say "keep winning and losing the bowl/NC" I'll take 2nd in the conference and 5 stright bowl victories. sounds like that Florida/Boise St/W.Virginia game(s)are still hurting a little.
chris, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:40 am
I used to kind of like UT...maybe it was just Vince that I liked...but anyways after this past season I have come to my senses and realized that I could care less for this UT team. Both teams have 14 returning starters on offense and defense. I'm going with OU because I'm not too impressed by UT and I don't think shipley will have the game he had last year when they met.
Brandon, edmond - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:39 am
Jack - from "Slapahoe"? Are you kidding? Sounds like a term from one of your recruits... that's hilarious.

The "asterisk" wasn't sanctioned by coaches and it wasn't meant for view outside of the team. Obviously someoneone internally thought it was motivational. That pales in comparison to BCS Bob keeping starters in during the 4th Quarter of blowouts to impress voters. He learned that from his classless mentor - Spurrier.

I love your defintion of "crying". Pointing out that we beat BlowU on a neutral field but only lost ON THE ROAD in the last seconds isn't crying. The bottom line is we need a playoff - pure & simple.

Henry - if you can get Jesus Christ to come ref a RRR or decide the Big XII tiebreaker I'm all for it!

Hook'em
David, Spring - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:30 am
re: BCS agreement between big 12 schools in case of a tie (by the way there was a 3way tie not just ou tx in case you missed it) you may wat to go to your Bible and read II Timothy 2:5 Maybe OU should do some flyovers if this junk continues. henhog
henry, elmore city - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:19 am
While BlowU has one all those Big XII titles, Texas has gone on to win a NC, beat you 3 of 4 times and won 5 straight bowls.

Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it up on the reservation.

Hook'em
David, Spring - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:12 am
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David it's spelled "WON" not "ONE", and for a team that does not care about playing for that BIG XII trophy sure did a lot of crying last year on national TV, and sure felt the need to put up BIG XII 2008 * champions in their locker room... in the end you play the season for one reason, to play in the national championship game, so win or lose while we are playing for it all, you sitting at home crying about a game (BIG XII) that you claim not to care about....... YOU SOUND REAL SMART
jack, slapahoe - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:15 am
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You enjoy your fun little bowl games and coming in 2nd in the conference. We will keep winning and playing for the NC. Thanks David
Eric, Yukon - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:13 am
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Has anyone yet figured out or made a point of the fact Big XII coaches voted 9-3 to maintain the same rules to break ties in football? Why? Because it is not just OU who hates Arrogance U. KU hates UT for stealing a game in Lawrence earlier this decade. A&M goes without saying. Texas is just a bunch of arrogant, pompous, legend in their own mind jerks. If I had been at the Alamo I would have rooted for Santa Anna.
John, Destin - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:11 am
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tex-ass also beat the worst team to ever play in a BCS bowl game. And by a last minute td at that. It will be settled on the feild. We have three deep at our middle linebacker position this year. So don't count on injuries to catapult you to victory this year. Oklahoma Sooners 2008 Big 12 Champs!!!!!! Oh yeah, did you know that the coaches voted to keep the same tie breaker again this year. That weak non-conference schedule could come back to bite tex-ass again this year. If i were a tex-ass fan, i would complain to the athletic director for the scheduling of powder puffs.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:11 am
I much prefer Stoop's approach of not whining and not lobbying the media to get into the championship games. Mack must be frustrated. His team was aced out of the Big 12 championship by going by the pre established rules. Then again his team lost out for the national championship game by a vote of the BCS. And two years before the horns beat OU and had to watch the Sooners in the Big 12 Championship game. Mack needs to take stock of his approach. Whining doesn't work. He needs to focus more on winning ALL of his game. Not just get up for the OU game. Glad we got Bobby, a man you can admire.
tom, Lawton - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:10 am
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David is the exact mentality of a typical tex-ass fan. You realize that you stadium was named after a true Okie. Without Oklahoma there is no tex-ass football. We taught tex-ass how to play football.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:07 am
Nothing matter outside of national titles! Winning bowls games is for the birds. Sooners play for titles.
Chris, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 10:04 am
Ed - that's the difference. I would rather beat BlowU than lose to BlowU and take home Big XII champ. We have bigger fish to fry... like winning a bowl game.

Hook'em
David, Spring - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:58 am
Rhonda - so the Big XII title is decided on at what point you got or lost a lead during the game? Get a clue.... Again, since you gooners can't get a grip - Texas beats BlowU on a neutral field. BlowU hammers Tech at HOME - and Texas loses last second on the road.

Again - common sense not so common north of the Red River.

Hook'em
David, Spring - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:57 am
Hey David, refresh my memory about the TTech game ... at what point in that game did Texas get a lead? It may have been a last second play that won the game, but it wasn't until the closing minutes Texas was able to capture the lead away. TTech just reclaimed the lead they had all night.
Rhonda, Euless - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:48 am
It's too bad the RRSO has become a meaningless game, it used to be a decent rivalry. It's rather sad that no matter what happens on October 17th OU will still take home the Big XII 'ship yet again...
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:46 am
Settled on a neutral field: OU Big XII Champs. 3 years running.
Paul, Kansas City - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:26 am
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Whiners? "BCS Bob" (formerly known as Big Game Bob) is classless... Running up scores on opponents in 4th Quarter is politics for votes much worse than a banner flown over a game. Throwing a pass near the end-zone against OSU late in the game to break 60 points is a perfect example.

What you dirt burglars don't seem to have the intelligence to grasp is that the Horns whipped BlowU on a neutral field, but lost their only game on the road on a last second play. Say what you want about how badly you beat Tech - but you couldn't beat us on a neutral field.

Obviously common sense is not so common in Norman. I guess our overall winning record againt BlowU is too much to take, or our 3 of 4 wins in last four years.

I always root for BlowU to get a bowl game, so I can enjoy watching the 5 straight losses including BCS Bob being outcoached by Boise St., and an interim-coach at WVU, and of course being hammered by Florida. Thank goodness you can recruit (pay) players from Texas - otherwise you may have trouble fielding a team that can read a playbook.

I know how important the Big XII Championships are to the little sawed-off general (BCS Bob) with the Napolean complex. Of course he forgets that there is a game AFTER the Big XII Championship.

While BlowU has one all those Big XII titles, Texas has gone on to win a NC, beat you 3 of 4 times and won 5 straight bowls.

Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it up on the reservation.

Hook'em
David, Spring - Jul 30, 2009 at 9:12 am
Where do I get a Tshirt that has a big asterick on it and OU-Another Big 12 Championship!
Janet, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 8:48 am
Texas has the worst fans in the Big 12. I imagine this whining is never going to end.
Ryan - Jul 30, 2009 at 8:36 am
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The way to shut up any one is just win. Winners tell jokes, losers cry....

just win. no subjective votes then unless you are from a non BCS and then we start over again...Play offs please!!!!!!
ken, Houston - Jul 30, 2009 at 8:26 am
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Why are we still debating a debate that we long ago won?
Jerry, Atlanta - Jul 30, 2009 at 8:02 am
* "A lot of that comes from us. We need to learn from that and move on. Quit talking about the system and just go play." — Longhorns coach Mack Brown, on the controversy surrounding Texas' push to change the current Big 12 tiebreaker rule.

At least Smack Clown has a few brain cells left.
Steve, Ketchum - Jul 30, 2009 at 7:56 am
Because OU sounds so much cooler than UO - also UT sounds corny and obviously they think the same considering they have a cheesy orange longhorn on their helmet
Brad, Washington D.C. - Jul 30, 2009 at 7:01 am
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Simple. If you take credit for your wins, you take credit for your loses. OU and Texas Tech did not whine about its lose, UT did. There is more than one game on a schedule and the rules are the rules. Mack and the UT fans need a reality check. I'd have been embarrassed if it was the other way around.
bob, anadarko - Jul 30, 2009 at 6:33 am
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I'm looking for someone smart enough to know the answer, guess that leaves you out.
James, Haywood - Jul 30, 2009 at 6:04 am
Why does anyone actually care that Texas is UT and Oklahoma is OU? If that's the smartest comment you can come up with then you obviously are not very smart.
Thomas, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 5:19 am
Texas sucks! Shut up you whiney longhorns!!!
Brad, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 2:26 am
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Why is The Universtiy of Texas called UT but the University of Oklahoma called OU?????????
James, Haywood - Jul 30, 2009 at 2:12 am
When did it stop?
Fred, Oklahoma City - Jul 30, 2009 at 12:48 am
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Why would anyone want to stir this up again? It took forever for the whining to stop last season. Let it die already!
Shepard, Stonewall - Jul 29, 2009 at 11:12 pm
They all had 1 loss, Tech had the worst loss, OU the 2nd worst, and Texas the least worst loss. The reason OU won was the timing of the schedule, they had the earliest loss and got to play a good OSU team late in the year. The BCS has often shown its preference for teams with the earliest loss. I would like Texas fans to shut up and deal with it though. The only way to fix it is with a playoff.
Travis, OKC - Jul 29, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dont you know, it didnt happen in lubbock. what cracks me up most of all is how UT fans want to say it was a last second TD that got us in Lubbock. Uh , duh, how about having your ONLY lead in the whole game with 1 minute left??? TEXAS fans you lead less than 15 minutes TOTAL in the 2 games that mattered the most...OU & Tech, I wouldnt be running my mouth.
Jeanie, Wichita Falls - Jul 29, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Why is Texas' win over Oklahoma more important to UT than its loss to Tech? OU's blowout of Tech in Norman and OSU in Stillwater were the two most impressive wins any team had last season.
edwin, Tulsa - Jul 29, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Though always a Sooners fan, I once admired the Longhorns (before the Big 12). But Mack Brown has taken away my admiration of that team and left me with nothing but disgust for that team. Still, I realize it isn't the players, but the management, though I can hardly stomach the sound of the words Longhors or TU (or however you wish to signify that stinking team). Go Sooners!
Ray, St. Robert - Jul 29, 2009 at 6:51 pm
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