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DHS paternity goof is haunting this man
DHS paternity goof haunts Tulsa man

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Published: August 10, 2008

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Tulsa athlete Micheal Thomas swears he never met Lawton drug user Tiffany Dickson.

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Tulsa athlete Micheal Thomas says DHS turned his life upside down by falsely accusing him of being the father of a baby girl born to a Lawton woman he never met. by Brandi Simons for the Oklahoman

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Dickson says she never met him.

That didn't stop the Oklahoma Department of Human Services from getting Thomas declared the father of Dickson's baby daughter and badgering him until he dropped out of college, forfeiting a football scholarship.

It also didn't stop DHS from taking a portion of his biweekly paychecks and seizing his $290 state and federal tax refunds.

"This is unbelievable. This is crazy,” said Thomas, 21, a former running back at Tulsa's Victory Christian School.

It gets worse.

Thomas took DNA tests that proved he wasn't the father, DHS records show. However, DHS continued to take money from his paychecks and refused to tell him the results, Thomas said.

He said it wasn't until he got a lawyer that DHS stopped seizing money from his checks. Thomas still hasn't gotten his money back.

Tulsa Attorney Billy Wiland III, who agreed to take Thomas' case without pay, said he has uncovered evidence that DHS filed untruthful reports with a Comanche County judge, who could have ended the bureaucratic mix-up.

One report falsely claimed Thomas had "not responded to OKDHS letters, phone calls, or diligent search efforts” and had "not made any attempt to make contact with OKDHS.” The report was made at a time when Thomas had already taken two paternity tests and was having money withheld from his paycheck by the agency, Wiland said.

Legal claim filed
Wiland has filed a legal claim with the state asking for $167,000 to compensate Thomas for the "intentional or reckless infliction of severe emotional distress.” Taxpayers ultimately could pay the tab.

Richard Freeman, a DHS attorney, said the matter is under investigation.

DHS spokesman George Johnson said the agency "is hopeful that this matter may be resolved short of litigation.”

Wiland said the inexplicable naming of his client as the father and "blatant bureaucratic bullying” to which Thomas was subjected make him wonder whether Thomas was the victim of profiling.

"Were these actions by DHS due to a prejudicial discrimination against Mr. Thomas ... due to the fact that Mr. Thomas is a young black male who might fit the role which they hope he will play?” Wiland asked attorneys for DHS.

Thomas said an older friend told him the same thing happened to him 20 years ago. Thomas wonders how many other men have been falsely accused of being fathers by DHS and had money taken from their paychecks.

Freeman said he doesn't believe it happens often or DHS' legal division would have received more complaints.

‘The wrong guy'
Thomas' problems began March 31, 2005, when Dickson gave birth to a baby girl in Comanche County, records show. The baby was taken away by the state the next day after DHS reported both mother and daughter tested positive for cocaine and marijuana.

DHS filed a report with a Comanche County judge in June 2005 that said Dickson did not know the father's last name.

"Tiffany said that she knows his first name is Michael, but she is not sure of his last name,” the report said. "Tiffany believes that Michael is running from the law.”

Reached by telephone at her mother's house in Hollis, Dickson told The Oklahoman that she told her DHS worker she thought the last name of the father was Thomas and that he lived in Lawton.

"When I met him, see, I was on drugs really bad, so he might have gave me a fake last name,” Dickson, 27, said. "I know for a fact he has never lived in Tulsa. They have the wrong guy.”

Even back in 2005, DHS had plenty of reasons to know they had the wrong man.

A DHS report filed with a Comanche County judge in December 2005 stated that one of Dickson's relatives had said the purported father was in the Jackson County jail. The DHS worker reported she checked with the jail and was advised "Mr. Thomas was released Oct. 17, 2004.”

The Oklahoman checked with a Jackson County jail spokeswoman and was told the jail did release a Michael Thomas on that date. The inmate's date of birth was May 21, 1967, which would have made him 37 when Dickson's daughter was born.

The Micheal Thomas DHS falsely accused of being the father was only 18 when Dickson gave birth. He spelled his first name differently and lived 200 miles away.

Shock; a bad car; a missed test
Thomas said he was "pretty much shocked” in the summer of 2005 when he and his mother got letters from DHS claiming he was the father of a baby he knew nothing about.

"I just thought they got the wrong person,” he said. "I mean, there's a lot of Michael Thomases in Oklahoma and across the world.”

Thomas said he had a phone conversation with a DHS official and agreed to take a DNA test.

The worker said Thomas would receive details by mail.

When the letter arrived, however, it said Thomas would have to travel to Lawton — 200 miles away — to take the DNA test.

"I had a car, but the car wasn't in shape for me to be driving down to Lawton,” Thomas said. "Let alone, I had school that I was trying to take care of and I also was working a part-time job.”

Thomas didn't go.

He said the next thing he knew, DHS was telling him he was the "father by default” because he hadn't shown up to take the DNA test.

"That's when they started sending me child support letters,” he said.

Thomas said he called DHS back and begged for a chance to take the DNA test in Tulsa.

Thomas said he took the test and was told the test results would be sent to DHS and DHS would send a copy of the results to him.

"I never got any results from DHS,” he said.

College bound
Wiland said the first Tulsa test took place in the spring of 2006 and Thomas then went on to Tabor College in Hillsboro, Kan.

Thomas said the letters and calls to him stopped while he was at Tabor, but the agency escalated contacts with his mother.

Faced with pressures from DHS, a breakup with a girl-friend and other issues, Thomas said he dropped out of Tabor and headed home in the spring of 2007.

Thomas said DHS demanded that he take another paternity test, which he did around March 2007. Once again, he said DHS never sent him the results.

"The second time, when I called back, I was really upset by then,” Thomas said.

He said DHS officials refused to give him the results and refused to let him talk with his caseworker.

"They just said, ‘Well, Mike, you need to get an attorney.'”

Thomas said he couldn't afford an attorney so he went to work as a security guard at Walmart.

He soon discovered DHS was taking child support payments from his wages and had seized his income tax refund.

Thomas said he was counting on the refund to buy a car.

"The neighborhood I work in is kind of rough,” he said. "I don't want to be walking back and forth. Me being a ... security guard, I get threats at Walmart enough as it is.”

Thomas said he demanded to talk to Dickson and see the baby at one point, and was told DHS couldn't arrange that because of confidentiality. Thomas sarcastically said that he even inquired about custody, since this was supposedly his child. He said he was told he would have to visit with his attorney about that.

‘Crazy' situation
Thomas said he finally caught a break when a church official put him in touch with his attorney, who agreed to take on the case for free if Thomas would sign an agreement to pay $2,500 if he was found to be lying about not being the father.

"He signed the agreement and never even blinked,” his attorney said.

Thomas said he hopes the mess is close to being straightened out and he wants people to know that if he got a woman pregnant, DHS wouldn't have to hunt him down.

"I understand there are a lot of guys out there who are not taking responsibility as far as being a father and a parent,” he said. "But if I was to get any woman pregnant and have a baby by anybody, I'm going to be there. I'm going to take care of my daughter or my son.”

"It's crazy,” Thomas said.

"I just thought they got the wrong

person. I mean, there's a lot of

Michael Thomases in Oklahoma and across the world.”

Micheal Thomas

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Here it is November 2009 and not a word about this man or this problem since... I want a followup.
Phil, Yukon - Nov 9, 2009 at 8:07 am
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A grand jury investigation of DHS is long over due. The State Legislature needs to pass a law that awards a victim of a DHS error, whether it be willful or not, of at least costs and a punitive award of $500, 000 from the DHS employee(s) that produced the damage. This would stop most all of this nonsense.
citizen, Edmond - Jan 1, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Surprise Surprise, another case of DHS bullying another innocent man because he may or may not be a child's father. Funny how we can live in American and have all this freedom, yet DHS can literally take almost any lawful or unlawful actions they require to get the job done. They have teams of people to help any random knocked up girl who could be a meth head but if it comes to the supposed father, his only option is to hire a lawyer and pay all kinds of legal fee's. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Look on OK's DHS website. They have about a 60 page handbook on what they can do to hunt down the father and what actions they can take. Want to know how many pages they have for the father's rights? 1 page. Look for yourself.

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- Dec 26, 2008 at 12:52 pm
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Surprise Surprise, another case of DHS bullying another innocent man because he may or may not be a child's father. Funny how we can live in American and have all this freedom, yet DHS can literally take almost any lawful or unlawful actions they require to get the job done. They have teams of people to help any random knocked up girl who could be a meth head but if it comes to the supposed father, his only option is to hire a lawyer and pay all kinds of legal fee's. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Look on OK's DHS website. They have about a 60 page handbook on what they can do to hunt down the father and what actions they can take. Want to know how many pages they have for the father's rights? 1 page. Look for yourself.

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- Dec 26, 2008 at 12:29 pm
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Phil, for once I agree with you. Yes, it is close to 2:00 PM & I am on leave today. I have been with this monstrosity called state government for almost 20 years. The people running this organization reek of hypocrisy. The say it is all for families and for the kids, but the reality is it is all about them. I promise you, anyone higher up than the lowest level supervisor must sell their soul to advance in DHS. If you acknowledge there are problems, then you simply are not a team player. When I was in Child Welfare, I was told to do something diametrically opposed to policy and refused to do it. I had too many witnesses for them to fire me. These people are evil. This self serving group of individuals will not go voluntarily. They think they are above the law. I can do more from the inside than the outside that is why I stay.
Vlad, Oklahoma City - Aug 26, 2008 at 1:56 pm
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The overwhelmingly simple way to describe DHS problems in two words are BAD MANAGEMENT!!! Bad managers continually promote bad mangers. If someone competent is promoted, then they will expose the profoundly retarded administration for what it is.
Vlad, Oklahoma City - Aug 26, 2008 at 1:56 pm
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Phil, for once I agree with you. Yes, it is close to 2:00 PM & I am on leave today. I have been with this monstrosity called state government for almost 20 years. The people running this organization reek of hypocrisy. The say it is all for families and for the kids, but the reality is it is all about them. I promise you, anyone higher up than the lowest level supervisor must sell their soul to advance in DHS. If you acknowledge there are problems, then you simply are not a team player. When I was in Child Welfare, I was told to do something diametrically opposed to policy and refused to do it. I had too many witnesses for them to fire me. These people are evil. This self serving group of individuals will not go voluntarily. They think they are above the law. I can do more from the inside than the outside that is why I stay.
Vlad, Oklahoma City - Aug 26, 2008 at 1:47 pm
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I think we've strayed from the topic which is this man was hounded by one of the many agencies of our government to collect a debt he didn't owe, morally, ethically or actually.
This is NOT an aberration, it is disturbingly common. The action of assuming that children born in a marriage are the children of the husband is rooted in old English law. Today, we know that some wives are unfaithful and some of those bear children from a man other than her husband.
A 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks found that in 30 percent of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not the biological father.
It is not just DHS that is the problem. Many state's laws make it clear that if a man can be duped long enough, he's stuck, meaning that if a father discovers(accidentally or intentionally) a few years late that "his" child isn't his, he is still treated as if they were, including and especially paying child support to the mother, and that's exactly what this whole problem is created by, about and for. It is called "father shopping"; trying to name the wrong, but wealthier man, as dad.
This problem has nothing to do with children being abused, killed or even adoptions. It is legally committed fraud that happens very, very often.
Phil, Yukon - Aug 20, 2008 at 8:06 am
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Dennis, I looked for it and could not find it either hmmm....
Voter, Oklahoma City - Aug 18, 2008 at 12:09 am
Off Topic...What has happened to the Forums page? Did NewsOK discontinue it?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 16, 2008 at 6:24 am
Thank you for voting ! Please ask your representive's to vote against this bill.
S. 3038, The Improved Adoption Incentives and Relative Guardianship Support Act of 2008
http://www.washingt onwatch.com/ bills/show/ 110_SN_3038. html
This bill goes back up for a vote in September10,2008

In memory of children adopted out & killed by the people who adopted them :
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Voter, Oklahoma City - Aug 13, 2008 at 3:30 pm
As another state worker I'm sorry I have to disagree with James - DHS is very Incompetent. I do not work for DHS but working for the state I understand that decisions and other things are policitally based, sometimes greatly. However, I have had dealings with DHS & they were not pleasant or handled very well, in fact it is still unresolved. My daycare is operating illeaglly accoridng to the rules & regulations the director is uncertified as well as most of the workers however, they are premitted BY DHS to continue operating on a work permit - for over a year now. This is very frustrating because DHS says they can't do anything about it - my problem has nothing to do with paternity or child support (however I'm still waiting on them to collect child support from my ex for over 12 years now) but it does show how incompetent that they are overall.
SHARI, Blanchard - Aug 13, 2008 at 11:39 am
I think it is a shame this happened to this young man and it needs to be fixed. However, I hesitate to throw a blanket over OKDHS and say they are incompetent. This is one case. And we hear about a few every so often. Unfortunately in Oklahoma DHS handles hundreds of thousands of cases ranging from food and energy assistance to collection of money from deadbeat parents. It is suprising there aren't more errors or mistakes. Hopefully, DHS will do as we all do and take the experience from this and fix the problem. I hope Mr. Thomas will be able to go on with his life and do great things. (Maybe he will come up with a new improved DHS system in 2015? :) )
C, Oklahoma City - Aug 13, 2008 at 11:37 am
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A review of Child Welfare data found that from April 1, 2006 through March 31, 2007 employee stability for Child Welfare workers was 61.6%. Stability of Child Welfare supervisors during this same period was 75.4%. On April 1, 2007 there were 100 vacant Child Welfare worker positions.-----
The state of Oklahoma has set a workload standard for Child Welfare workers of 136.6 points.

Points are based on caseload size and duties. On April 1, 2007 the average workload points for Child Welfare workers was 163.4 points. This shows a need for 186.7 more Child Welfare workers in order to meet the workload standard of 136.6 points.-----

OKDHS data, from April 1, 2007, shows that Child Welfare workers, (excluding CPS) average 23.5 children per caseload. This exceeds the Child Welfare League of America’s (CWLA) recommendation of 12-15 children per caseload. OKDHS data, from April 1 2007, shows that Child Protective Service (CPS) workers in the state average 13.4 cases, slightly higher than the CWLA’s recommended 12 active cases per month.-----

In an effort to reduce turnover within the Child Welfare program, monetary incentives have been implemented. In October 2004 and 2005 all OKDHS employees were given $1,000 stipends from federal bonus awards the agency received for high performance in several of its programs. Pay increases were provided to Child Welfare specialists and supervisors in November 2005 and December 2006. A performance based pay incentive was implemented per State legislation in 2006. Eligibility for the performance based pay is dependent the county’s annual State CFSR results, time employed in the county office, annual employee evaluation, and completion of training hours.-----

http://www.okdhs.org/NR/rdonlyres/ED09C032-6662-498E-A583-E6C420D9AC4E/0/statewideassessment_cfsd_06202007.pdf
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 13, 2008 at 10:13 am
This story doesn't add up. There is more to it than what we have read here.
UnSub, Yukon - Aug 12, 2008 at 10:56 pm
I am a mother who has been using dhs to get my child support for the last 3 yrs and it is amazing that they went after this guy so fiercly. Her dad goes months without paying me a dime and they don't do anything about it. I call them and talk to some rude opperator who tells me they are doing all they can, if I have a case worker I couldn't tell you who it is. I make to much money to get assistance with just food thats all I would like help with but they like to give that money to drug dealing moms who claim to go to school. Trust me I know some who do that they live in my poor neighborhood.
Kimberly, Edmond - Aug 12, 2008 at 6:05 pm
wish i got paid to do nothing!!!!
Robert, Oklahoma City - Aug 12, 2008 at 1:25 pm
DHS is a joke!!! Have you ever tried to call the 800 number or visit a caseworker? You are either on hold for ever or you can't see the case worker without an appointment set 2 weeks out.
Robert, Oklahoma City - Aug 12, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Really people, it does not matter if you are a ncp or cp, support your children and don't depend on anyone else.. Maybe if DHS drug tested everyone on TANF/food stamps they would realize their funds aren't going on taking care of kids anyway. I never relied on anyone and i have 3 girls,, ITS CALLED GET A JOB AND DEPEND ON YOURSELF.
sonja, burns flat - Aug 12, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Patricia, if you read my previous posts, you will know that that is EXACTLY what they are doing..quitting. These kids quickly get enough of the job and seek greener pastures. They are only required to do the most rudimentary of searches. I have already admitted that this was a major screw up, but one of the posters is correct. This whole thing could have been avoided if Mr. Thomas had shown up for his appointment. One of the posters said that he had been making payments to his ex-wife for the child support and got a notice to start paying DHS instead. The reason is that your ex-wife filed a request for TANF and Foodstamps. When that happens, federal regulations demand that DHS take over the child support collections. You people may not like it, but most of the problems (not all, obviously), could have been avoided by simply complying with the initial requests from CSED. You may not agree, but thats how the system works. Also, anytime anyone gets involved with two of the most disgusting events in human life (battle for child custody and child abuse investigation), someone is going to be mad and not be happy about the referee in the middle...that's us. BTW...I'm on my lunch break.
J, Anonymous - Aug 12, 2008 at 12:38 pm
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Wonder who the judge was?
Thomas - Aug 12, 2008 at 11:43 am
Kevin you are right there arent just dead beat dads there are dead beat moms also..i feel that moms should have to pay child support if they are the ncp..my case is a pvt case i have never received a check/food stamp/housing/daycare assistance from dhs. My payments are to run through the registry, on advice of my attorney i completed paperwork for them to activly pursue. As a result I have been threatened if i dont give all info i have (I thought that was "their" job, to research). I did provide all info i had even bank account info and you see from my previous comment what i got. i have had a job since i was 19 i am now 39. so i take care of my children, but what about dad?..Just because mom & dad are no longer together dont mean children stop needing support. All dads arent dead beat, and all women arent sleeping w/every tom dick and harry. the issue here is the inadequate work of dhs. if they pursued 50% of the men/women that "really" owe half as hard as this did this "wrong" man. How much arrears would be taken care of? Underpayment ....please all state employees are underpaid i agree, but does that give the right to "underwork". H--- no..get off that mess right now, if you dont like the pay quit. i understand why so many complain about the job/pay(state empl) and not quit because they can draw a paycheck and not do any work or sloppy work..this is obvious by the service that is received from this agency. If you dont want to be a public servant dont work in state government jobs. bottom line.
patricia, oklahoma city - Aug 12, 2008 at 8:11 am
Kevin you are right there arent just dead beat dads there are dead beat moms also..i feel that moms should have to pay child support if they are the ncp..my case is a pvt case i have never received a check/food stamp/housing/daycare assistance from dhs. My payments are to run through the registry, on advice of my attorney i completed paperwork for them to activly pursue. As a result I have been threatened if i dont give all info i have (I thought that was "their" job, to research). I did provide all info i had even bank account info and you see from my previous comment what i got. i have had a job since i was 19 i am now 39. so i take care of my children, but what about dad?..Just because mom & dad are no longer together dont mean children stop needing support. All dads arent dead beat, and all women arent sleeping w/every tom dick and harry. the issue here is the inadequate work of dhs. if they pursued 50% of the men/women that "really" owe half as hard as this did this "wrong" man. How much arrears would be taken care of? Underpayment ....please all state employees are underpaid i agree, but does that give the right to "underwork". H--- no..get off that mess right now, if you dont like the pay quit. i understand why so many complain about the job/pay(state empl) and not quit because they can draw a paycheck and not do any work or sloppy work..this is obvious by the service that is received from this agency. If you dont want to be a public servant dont work in state government jobs. bottom line.
patricia, oklahoma city - Aug 12, 2008 at 8:11 am
Kevin you are right there arent just dead beat dads there are dead beat moms also..i feel that moms should have to pay child support if they are the ncp..my case is a pvt case i have never received a check/food stamp/housing/daycare assistance from dhs. My payments are to run through the registry, on advice of my attorney i completed paperwork for them to activly pursue. As a result I have been threatened if i dont give all info i have (I thought that was "their" job, to research). I did provide all info i had even bank account info and you see from my previous comment what i got. i have had a job since i was 19 i am now 39. so i take care of my children, but what about dad?..Just because mom & dad are no longer together dont mean children stop needing support. All dads arent dead beat, and all women arent sleeping w/every tom dick and harry. the issue here is the inadequate work of dhs. if they pursued 50% of the men/women that "really" owe half as hard as this did this "wrong" man. How much arrears would be taken care of? Underpayment ....please all state employees are underpaid i agree, but does that give the right to "underwork". H--- no..get off that mess right now, if you dont like the pay quit. i understand why so many complain about the job/pay(state empl) and not quit because they can draw a paycheck and not do any work or sloppy work..this is obvious by the service that is received from this agency. If you dont want to be a public servant dont work in state government jobs. bottom line.
patricia, oklahoma city - Aug 12, 2008 at 8:11 am
Unfortunately this is not unusual. This is the result of pressure from the higher ups at DHS on the caseworkers to collect child support. There are penalties on DHS if they fail to collect support a certain levels. What happened here happened many times. A caseworker, under pressure to clear cases mearly linked the subject from the Social Security lists to the mothers case file without adiquate background checking and apparently based only on the name. When the subject failed to appear for testing, it was all over. Many attorneys in Oklahoma have similar stories of misidentification of fathers. Inadequate research is not limitied to the child support enforcement division of DHS, when attempting to notice the fathers in deprived actions, workers and States attorneys also fail to search and do legally required background work to notify the fathers of the children. Many father's never care, but there are those who are trying to find their children because mothers have fled and concealed the children. (Yes there are occasions where hiding is justified.) The underlying reason behind this and many problems with DHS is that the legislature in Oklahoma refuses to adequately fund this program in addition to many others. Unfortuantely this means either a reallocation of resources or more funds. (read taxes)
Neil, Oklahoma City - Aug 12, 2008 at 7:54 am
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The State of Oklahoma owes this man much more than a couple of hundred thousand dollars. Pay him.
John, Texas - Aug 12, 2008 at 5:47 am
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Just curious--even this rag used to carry a column about 'dead beat dads.' How come even in today's climate of political correctness and equality we never hear anything about 'dead beat moms?' I know they're out there...
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 8:32 pm
James, are you a DHS employee? If so, I feel for you. I can't imagine dealing day after day with these so called "parents" and these poor children that are born into such sad circumstances. I do agree there needs to be some changes with DHS but I get so angry listening to the whiners that absolutely will not take responsibility for creating their situations. If you can't take care of the kids...quit having them...quit laying down with every Tom Dick and Harry.
K, Edmond - Aug 11, 2008 at 7:28 pm
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C, if you will look at my posting dates and times, you will see they are on Sunday, and before and after work today. "," or whatever you name is. Your suggestion is EXACTLY what quality workers are doing. So, what you get left with are the few older workers who are absolutly dedicated to their work, and the younger ones that are taking the job until they can find something else and don't give a damn. Get what you pay for. If in your business you paid only 2/3's of what your competitor paid, you might get some employees, but they wouldn't stay, wouldn't be happy, and would leave just as soon as they could find another job. That is exacly what is happening at OKDHS. I have heard suggestions that we disband OKDHS into lots of different stage agencies. We tried doing that several years ago. Do you know that OU Hospital and Children's medical center used to be part of DHS? How about Rehab? Yep, them too. Juvenile Justice and Oklahoma Health Care Authority (Medicaid) also. Before the split, we had an agency administrative costs of around 10% (personnel, IT, purchasing, legal, admin office of all division). When we split off those agencies, they immediatly spent MILLIONS establishing those admin offices and functions. I might point out that those state agencies are not exactly examples of good management. So, watch what you wish for, you might get it, but your taxpayers dollars expended will go up. I have an idea, let's just shut us down. That will work. No child support. Custodial parents, you are on your own. Dead and abused kids, not our fault. Beat up old people, don't look for us. If you think that is a good idea, go ahead.
J, Anonymous - Aug 11, 2008 at 7:16 pm
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I have never had any dealings with DHS, but from everything I have read, they certainly need an overhaul. I have to wonder however, why are there so many children is this system in the first place? Why? Because there are too many incompetent people having babies and noone to take care of them. That is the real tragedy here.
K, Edmond - Aug 11, 2008 at 6:08 pm
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I am a custodial parent(private case) who has to do all of my own legwork for CSED because the caseworkers don't do anything. THE NCP is in arrears of more than $116,000 and they have not tried to increase the payment or anything. I have went to several court dates and have provide everything but a pair of dirty underwear and the ncp comes in with a report card that has nothing to do with our case and his payment has been dropped. THE ncp requests modification hearings and does not show up because he did not sign a certification slip showing that he received any information from the csed but my information is sent regular mail. I guess if I had ever received TANF or assistance from DHS I would get better results....Oh by the way Pete from broken arrow all of my caseworkers handling this case have been caucasian...so what does that mean?
Andrea, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 5:37 pm
Sorry, that should be not paying or sitting in jail.
pat, bartlesville - Aug 11, 2008 at 4:22 pm
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This is just another example of how incompetent DHS is. They are supposed to be so faithful in collecting back child support and arresting dead beat dads. My ex-son-in-law owes over $100,000 in back child support for three children and he is still paying or sitting in jail. DHS is a joke.
pat, bartlesville - Aug 11, 2008 at 4:21 pm
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James,
Are you on vacation? If not,how long are the lunch breaks at the DHS offices. You have been at this for a long time. Are you on my time????
C., Dover - Aug 11, 2008 at 3:39 pm
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I have read this entire comment section, and posted on it once. I want to add one FACT to the discussion. There has been more than one here try to excuse those bad/criminal employees by saying the DHS jobs don't pay as much as private sector jobs. Know what? If the job doesn't pay enough, DON"T TAKE IT! Because it pays less DOES NOT mean you can do a bad or partial job! If you hire on to do a job, and you get payed, then DO YOUR JOB!!!!
Phil, Shawnee - Aug 11, 2008 at 2:36 pm
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The problem is that DHS treats all fathers as if they are dead beat dads whether they are or not. They all the time take and sieze funds from dads who are completely paid up in their child support payments. Call them about it and you'll get a big fat "we don't care. You owe." And they don't. All they care about is that the money keeps rolling in. Doesn't matter if you're paid up or not.
Kevin, Jones - Aug 11, 2008 at 2:14 pm
The whole system is not just broken but intentionally so. I have heard Mr. Hendrick testify in front of more than one committee in reference to child support and custody/visitation. He talks like fathers are scum and mothers are always long-suffering angels. At each meeting I have seen, there were at least 10 employees of DHS in the audience wearing buttons or carrying small signs denoting their wish to increase child support amounts and/or limit father's involvement. It was all very politically correct but if you've never gone, do so, only do not expect to be allowed any input. Several well-respected authorities that had requested time to speak in opposition to the bill were disallowed because they opposed the preconceived plan. In other words, they have their minds made up, don't confuse them with facts.
Phil, Yukon - Aug 11, 2008 at 1:58 pm
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I have an aunt who is a social worker here in Oklahoma. She tells me that the problem is just the right hand not talking to the left. Plus, she has a masters in Human and Family Services and brings home less than $30k per year. I am sure that she isn't the only under paid, over worked DHS employee. Not to make excuses, but we need to realize that until we can figure out a way to properly compensate these people, this is the kind of work were going to see out of our state agencies. The same is true with ODOT, or DEQ.
JOSHUA, Normanlahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 1:55 pm
deann that was the best one i heard all day. good for you guys..
patricia, oklahoma city - Aug 11, 2008 at 1:11 pm
My daughter received a Day Care subsidy for a short time from DHS while she was completing her degree. Even though her caseworker had proof that the father of her child was deceased (he died in surgery), she still got hateful letters from the state office demanding the name and address of her child's father "Under Penalty of Law". Each time she would submit a copy of the father's death certificate, and refer them to her caseworker. Her caseworker wrote to the state office, and that didn't help either. The last time she received a letter demanding that she provide the name and address of the father of her child; we sent it back (with ANOTHER copy of the death certificate) listing his name and "heaven" as the address! We also included a letter that said if she received another threatening letter (we will garnish your wages for all past benefits if you don't cooperate) it would be turned over to an attorney and the Attorney General of Oklahoma. Low and behold, she never heard from them again.
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patricia, oklahoma city - Aug 11, 2008 at 12:26 pm
First let me say i am a state employee and the way dhs handles "their business" makes all state employess look "BAD" to say the least. If dhs would persue real delinquent dads the way they did this young man, then maybe there would not be as much arrears owed to custodial parents. I will give you a prime example, I have a 22 year old daughter (college) student with a child of her own, and her father is still paying child support payments to me (why you say) Because he would pay when he got ready sometimes there was no payment for 7 or 8 years. dhs never suspended his DL, or froze his assets. There was a time when he was making a six figure income for a period of approx 6 or 7 yrs (music industry) they never touched him. My youngest child is 16 and she is from my x-husband (different dad) he pays when he gets ready too. His child support payments were ordered in my divroce decree, we've been divorced for 6 years, and he is in arrears of over 15,000. when they(dhs) found his bank account (thanks to my work not theirs), there was a small amount in it less than 300 or 400 dollars they said they couldnt take it and wouldnt because he has 45 days to appeal. well you know at the end of that 45 days the money "disappeared". I think that dhs is a crock of bs and the agency should be dismantled and child support among their other fake --- services should be handled by another source. Maybe then these children would get the child support they deserve and more of our children would still be alive. I am an avid voter so much that i even vote on school bond issues, the people at the voter pole where i vote know me by name and face. We as oklahomans need to petition and get these non caring individuals out. Even the judge that gave Kelsey back to her mom was allowed to resign. He should have been fired as that decision caused the death of that baby. But i guess his "dignity" was more important than her life. That ultimately what dhs protected isnt it. everything that agency touches will crumble until a change is made......
patricia, oklahoma city - Aug 11, 2008 at 12:26 pm
My husband had a brief fling that resulted in the birth of a child. A child he did not know about for 8 years...yes I said EIGHT! He had the paternity test, the child was his and DHS began taking his wages, our taxes, etc. They were nice enough to tell me I could recoup my losses by filing an injured spouse with the IRS. They took him back to the child's birth in arrears, even though the child had been raised as another man's child, born during their marriage...in Oklahoma that makes him the presumptive father, aside from the fact HE, her husband, signed the birth certificate! Didn't matter to DHS, they took it all!! Told my husband it wouldn't be on the credit record...LIES!!!!! It was! When we finally paid off the arrears, we asked to have DHS remove the garnishment of his check and we would pay the mother directly, which she agreed to. Oh no, they can't (or won't?) rescend an order for garnishment unless he switches jobs. What a crock of crapola. I didn't fall off of the turnip truck yesterday!! Explain to me please why they cannot terminate the order? Also, I DO NOT BELIEVE IF A MAN IS UNAWARE OF A CHILD, he should be made to pay the arrearage. I'm sorry but if this woman had not lied to her husband for 8 years, we would not have been in this state. Why did she finally tell the truth you ask? Well, because he husband divorced her and left the country. She needed a new cash cow because she has a habit of being unable to work. She claims she is disabled but the government has not yet seen fit to grant her that title. She has been turned down for disability 6 times. Apparently, there is no disability. DHS needs to be revamped. I cannot believe that children continue to die and peoples lives are ruined by this monster machine. If it TOO big of a department, then split it up so it can run more efficiently. First thing I would do...Get rid of Howard Hendrick and George Johnson. They don't have a clue as to what they are doing. They are apparently unfit for leadership.
K, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 11:36 am
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Ignoring things never make them get better or go away. If this young man had not chosen to ignore the appointment for the first paternity test he would not have been defaulted as the father. He should have asked to have the test done in Tulsa the first time instead of ignoring it.
danny, shawnee - Aug 11, 2008 at 11:28 am
just another "fine" example of OKDHS at work.
Renee, edmond - Aug 11, 2008 at 10:57 am
P.S. Should have stated they are able to over rule the family court Judge's order or orders.
DHS/CPS = Protecting the little children to their very deaths.
In memory of the children who have died in the care of CPS : http://almosttuesday.wordpress.com/2007/10/05/in-memory-these-children-died-in-the-governments-care-in-the-name-of-safety/
Voter, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 10:31 am
Jim,
Almost certain here that you are not aware that D.H.S/C.P.S is able to go above the law.
The system they have in the organization is that TWO only two case wreckers are allowed to over rule a Judges orders ! If they deem that " In the best interest of the child." Or really in the best interest of filling the pork barrel with funds.
The only time two case wreckers aren't allowed to over rule a Judge's orders is when Department Of Human Sacrifices is taken into court for a trial.
DHS/CPS = Protecting the little children to their very deaths.
Voter, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 10:23 am
I am a Father, a supportive, paying father, I will admit, I am currently behind, a very minimal amout, due to lack of work on occasion. In approxmately January 2002,sent me a letter called an "An Instrument of Law" directing me to pay my child support to DHS Child Support Enforcement, rather than to my ex-wife, as I was directed by the Divorce Judge in my case. I admittedly, ignored the letter, and continued to pay my ex-wife as directed by the divorce judge. continuing on, in early 2002, DHS, required me to prove my earnings, and brought me into court. At that appearance, it was established, I was not in arrears in my child support, even though, DHS said I owed (because I didnt PAY them), this was brought up to the judge, who ordered the then Assistant District attorney, to correct DHS's record in this case. At that time, I was ordered to pay child support to DHS Gestapo, which I have been doing so since. Long story short, that Assistant District attorney, chose to do nothing. I tried to show the reciepts to the Assistant District Attorney, that persons response was "YOUR RECIEPTS MEAN NOTHING", so that person chose to IGNORE that judges order. The small sum DHS said I was behind, has more than doubled since that time. Comes 2008, after years of trying to resolve this issue, I went to an administrative hearing, in regards to this issue, results, I was told to get the court transcript, and present it to the DHS worker in the case. I inquired about the transcript, the cost to obtain the transcript, approxmately $200.00. TO prove the Assistant District Attorney, Failed to do that persons Assigned J.O.B. and follow through with the judges order. Bottom Line: I am Guilty unless I can prove my innocence, and PAY $200.00 for a transcript. After obtaining, the transcript, and proving my innocence. Will I be able to recover from DHS the cost of the transcript, due to thier employees direlection of duty? With the DHS Gestapo tactics, I serously doubt it. Bottom line, I pay child support, I admit, I have had a few occasions when I was not employed, and was unable to pay temporarly. But I am currently correcting that issue. Then comes another issue, I have been threatened in numerous ways, over the years, inclusive of suspension of my drivers license, professional licenses, among other things. I currently owe less than $1500.00, including what was ordered (By the Judge, in my case), removed, because it was NOT due. Harrassment continues...... What evidence I can provide, (reciepts) are NOT acceptable to the DHS Gestapo. To make matters worse, I am continually being hassled. I know there are DEAD BEAT dads out there, that should be DHS Gestapo's concern, but they are NO DOUBT, hard to find, soooo, for fathers who are NOT dead beat dads, they are the focus, WHY, because they are not attempting to hide, and they are ALOT easier to find. So thier J.O.B. justification, go the easy way, and hassle EASY to find Dad's
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When children are placed into custody of the Grandma or Grandpa, both parents need to pay DHS for the expenses. There are cases now where the mother's exceed the father in wages and are not responsible for back child support.
Harvey, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 9:36 am
I am not one to bash government, but I feel this is a major crime by the state. The people at DHS basicly are guilty of strong armed robbery. The people that refused to give the results, hid the results and committed fraud on this young man, should be charged with criminal charges. There are so many charges that could be filed, the people could be in jail for many many years. Now about filing false and improper papers in court. Oh boy, the DHS should be disbanded and completely started anew. Stephen, you said incompetence, this is complete and total criminal activity. The DHS employees and their supervisors, knew exactly what they were doing. $167,000 is not even close to enough for this young man. After taking away his ability to better himself by going to college, ruining his credit for years to come, breaking up a relationship and the stress on his family, this young man should be asking for enough money to make up for the loss of his education, and at lease seven years of income and credit history.
James, oklahoma city - Aug 11, 2008 at 9:36 am
Oops. Typed too fast. "...second office..." should read "...second offense..." Guess I should type slower when I am burned by someone's incompetence!
Stephen, Edmond - Aug 11, 2008 at 9:24 am
It never ceases to amaze me that governmental agencies think they are above the law, or they are THE LAW. We, the People, have allowed this to continue to happen by not raising cain about these types of incidents. Pick up your phone and call the Governor's office and your representative's office and demand action to fix this type of problems once and for all. If that doesn't work, then circulate a petition to submit to the vote of the people that the DHS be broken up into smaller, more manageable agencies and that any willful violation of a citizen's civil right be a criminal misdemeaner charge for the first offense, and a felony charge for the second office with permanent discharge from government service. The powers that be won't do anything about it, so we might as well take matters into our own capable hands and fix it where this does not happen again on a regular basis!
Stephen, Edmond - Aug 11, 2008 at 9:21 am
Judie, unfortunately, in DHS, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Our case workers in Field Ops (Foodstamps, TANF, and Medicaid eligibility), Child Welfare, CSED (Child Support), Adult Protective Services, and Child Care Licensing have triple the case load of our regional area and 4 times the national average. Those jobs don't pay all that much either and we have a high turnover, especially in CW. If your daughter wants to pursue this case, contact your local DHS CSED office. They also have an office called Office of Administrative Hearing that can expedite deliquent cases. Good Luck.
J, Anonymous - Aug 11, 2008 at 9:17 am
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If you think DHS is bad, just try dealing ith Indian Child Welfare for a while.
Cindy, Norman - Aug 11, 2008 at 9:10 am
I'm curious Shannon why they even came after you in the first place. Did your ex-wife have anything to do with it? My daughter has never gotten child support but she never pressed the issue so no one has gone after her ex, not even DHS.
judie, Oklahoma City - Aug 11, 2008 at 8:07 am
DHS needs to be realigned. Someone needs to be fired! They have been doing this for years. They are infamous for bullying honest citizens and looking the other way in bad citizens. They tried to come after me 12 years ago claiming that I was three years delinquient on child support. I have been in the military for 16 years and had an allotment set up to pay my child support since the day I got divorced from my ex-wife. I fought with them for a total of six months over this situation. I even showed them numerous government documents showing that the payments have been made via government allotments all that time. They still threatend to prosecute me, informing that the government documents were still not enough proof. It wasn't until I hired an attorney and pursued a lawsuit for harrasment until they finally stopped. Then it was like pulling teeth to get an apology from them. They need to be going after the trash in the state instead of bullying honest people.
Shannon, FAFB - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:31 pm
A policy of zero tolerance should be instigated but that doesn't mean that mistakes, either intentional of otherwise won't happen. I have zero tolerance for cussing in my house, but the other day the 5 year old said "S--t" because she heard it at a friends house. I guess I should have thrown her out of the house since there is a zero tolerance policy. I don't approve of many things that are done in ALL parts of our government, but it also happens in the private sector. There will always be greed, there will always be lying, and there will always be just plain human error. I really feel for those caught in the webs of deceit (I've been there many times) but to throw the baby out with the dishwater is just plain stupid. I'm not advocating burying your head in the sand, but in demanding change look at all the facts and the ramifications. Are you willing to back change with your time and your pocketbook, or are you looking for miracles? Quality costs money. Don't expect to get filet mignon at McDonalds.
judie, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Actually folks, this is your fault. As long as Oklahoma voters aren't demanding their legislators protect the children, expect more stories like these to continue.

See a California case:
http://www.liftingtheveil.org/burton.htm

From a Grand Jury investigation dating back from 1992
http://www.co.san-diego.ca.us/cnty/cntydepts/safety/grand/reports/report2.html

and most recently,
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1134282.html

Until the legislators address this, or the people do by filing reports on slacker judges, at USAjudges.com - expect this to continue. Gotta make folks want to be accountable...or give the job to someone who will.

It's really just that simple.

Research, Del Mar - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:19 pm
I just read something below and really agree with it. DHS workers want to complain about case loads and too much work. STOP chasing after innocent people and wasting time on stupid lawsuits! When the evidence is clear you are going after an innocent person, immediately pull out and compensate the individual. Don't cover it up and continue wasting man-hours. A major part of a DHS overhaul needs to be efficiency. I too discussed getting involved with foster care, however, after bringing this up to a co-worker... his exact words were, I've been there, you don't want to give DHS any reason to be in your life.
Jess, Warr Acres - Aug 10, 2008 at 8:30 pm
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Billy Wiland, don't settle this out of court. You also deserve compensation.

James of MWC, I love it when people make excuses! I would consider the case worker's actions to be criminal, not administrative. Criminal actions deserve criminal punishments. I would fire anyone else involved directly or supervising this case. This is not a rare or isolated event and that is why good people who work for dhs are "demonized" with the pack. Most of us know what it's like to be in your position but don't waste your time trying to defend a structure that needs to be overhauled from top to bottom.

So why does this happen? It's simple, we all hate deadbeat dads. Almost everybody responding to a national survey showed an anger toward deadbeat dads. It's the one issue that has no other "side" in politics. That makes it a good issue for all politicians to push and as such we have laws on the books that have given dhs far too much power. So who is to blame? YOU & I. We elected these people who made the rules like the right to garnish wages before a case is settled in court or the right to freeze our bank accounts without us knowing about it. These people routinely respond to inquiries by saying "get a lawyer." Then the politicians want to limit the liability of the offender. This starts with campaign contributions and ends with laws that protect the guilty from having to pay much for their crimes. We've stood by while dhs runs over our communities and commits one blunder after another. Some of which have resulted in the death of children.

I would personally like to take foster children into my home, I'm still young and my kids are grown, but my wife fears dhs will do something stupid and ruin us in some way by their mistakes.
ray, norman - Aug 10, 2008 at 6:25 pm
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Dave, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 6:00 pm
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From top(Director Hendricks/Governor Henry)to bottom, DHS may be well intentioned but totally incompetent. What does it take for the director to lose his/her job?
Dave, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 5:59 pm
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Ditto that last remark: "Oklahoma DHS is a JOKE!!!!"
Patrick, MWC - Aug 10, 2008 at 5:58 pm
To James from MWC: Let me give you some facts of my own. DHS investigated and confirmed the molestation of two children by their grandfather, as well as established that the mother had knowledge of this and failed to report the incidents. DHS's conclusion stated that the mother was "negligent in failing to protect" her own children as well as 2 addl children from outside of the family yet DHS refused to remove these children from her care or impose counseling of any kind for the victims. From one state employee to another, DHS is a joke!
H, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 5:00 pm
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If you don't think for yourself, they really like you at DHS. If your degrees have caused you to be autonomous & try to figure out humane answers to a problem, you are shunned & not a team player. There are supervisors that want to micromanage but there are two problems with that-it angers employees & many times the supervisors don't have enough knowledge to have all the answers. But the reward is still to be a robot. I am thinking if DHS could just hire all programmed robots instead of people, the supervisors would be happy. We would lose the HUMAN in human services but I guess that would be a small price to keep a ruthless regime going. There would be no difference of perspective then either!
Southern Rebel, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 4:53 pm
All DHS employees involved with this should be jailed. This was no "goof"! It was intentional. DHS is out of control. Perhaps some jail time for these criminals will get someones attention in that cesspool.
Phil, Shawnee - Aug 10, 2008 at 4:03 pm
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Oklahoma DHS at its finest. Nice one!
Julie, Edmond - Aug 10, 2008 at 3:49 pm
There needs to be an audit of DHS as well as some oversight. The problem of having far too much workload could be greatly alleviated by being far more efficiently run. When a department spends years going after the wrong man, with no proof whatsoever that they have the correct man, there is a major problem. All of the efforts involving Mr. Thomas were needless, the woman claimed she wasn't even sure of his actual name! From just what has been posted today, it is quite clear that Mr. Thomas's ordeal is NOT the exception to the rule. All organizations can make mistakes, but can you imagine the outcry if a part of the military were to make this many mistakes that so negatively affect so many innocent people in such a financially, emotionally, and time consuming manner?

And people really want the government to take over our medical care? Scary thought!
R, Bixby - Aug 10, 2008 at 3:41 pm
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Marilyn, I am not, or have I ever been a CW worker. Like I said, I am a geek (IT Professional). However, my work in the IT department has allowed me to have close contact with a lot of the business practices and administrators of our agency. I, for one, would welcome an outside investigation, but only if it was absolutly fair. Don't come in with an agenda, other than finding the truth. No republicans, no democrats, no conservatives, no liberals, no agenda. Then we can let the chip fall where they will.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 3:38 pm
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I checked his url...G. William Wilard. See his url below. Very impressive.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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James...I did not find a Billy Wiland on the OSCN either and I checked back to Jan 1, 2001...hmmmmm? Perhaps William Wiland?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm
James, your comments are very interesting. You refer to the political power of the division administrators, which leaves Mr. Hendrick somewhat powerless. Do you recall that Mr. Hendrick, himself, spent twelve years as a State Senator and immediately after became the Director of OKDHS? I would imagine he has a bit of influence at the Capitol, and through his friendship with Frank Keating, at the Federal level as well. Also, the two top program administrators for child welfare at the State Office level retired recently. When you referred to "questionable business and managerial practices" in your specific division, surely you can accept the probability those same questionable practices occur in the other divisions. It has been "questionable decisions" that were at the core of many of the cases reported about in the Oklahoman; some involvng the death of a child. It's not good practice to overload an employee such as yourself; in child welfare, where workers have three and four times the number of children on their workload that they should, it will sadly (although unintentionally on the worker's part) put a child at risk of serious harm, even death. It is time that someone ( and if it isn't Mr. Hendrick, then who would it be at DHS) draws a line in the sand and says "no more". Someone has got to demand from the public, from the legislators, from the governor, that the Agency responsible for protecting children is in a crisis. It is time for action. And let me say, James, as someone who has been in your shoes, people are not leaving child welfare because of the pay. Salary is one element of several criteria that comes into play when being able to hire new staff but it will not keep people when job dissatisfaction due to other causes are so overwhelming. And DHS management plays a tremendous role in that "other". Sadly though, Nero isn't through playing his fiddle.
Marilyn, Seminole - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm
James, you can't throw money at a broken system. It is obviously a broken system due to the fact that cover-ups, falsifying documents, not repaying people that had their money taken wrongfully, tying up the court system with frivolous cases and I'm sure numerous other illegal and unethical acts. DHS needs an overhaul, it needs more checks and balances. Throwing money and more people at a problem is not the solution. There is corruption and nobody is being held accountable. People are abusing their authority and innocent people are suffering. This can not be solved by increasing DHS budget. Investigate and uncover the root problems, then generate a solution to fix them. Then you can warrant a bigger budget and higher people. I'm not denying that better training and retention programs should be implemented. However, this problem is much bigger than that. That's the problem with our government, they think throwing money at a problem is the best solution. When it usually only creates more problems.
Jess, Warr Acres - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:48 pm
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Sorry, Billy, got your url. My apologies.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:28 pm
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Would somebody please explain to me why I can't find any info in the yellow pages, google, or the Oklahoma Bar Association about Billy Wiland?
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:26 pm
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Billy, Tulsa - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Dear James in Midwest City. Your reasoning is clear and I believe you are correct: at this point I, too, do not feel it would be beneficial to "pick your brain," and I do appreciate your candor and insight. Thank you for the job that you are doing. Irrespective, please feel free to examine my bio on linkedin.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/billywiland
Again, thank you for being stalwart.
Semper Fidelis,
Billy Wiland
Billy, Tulsa - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Jess, if you have read my posts, you already know that I have endorsed a full investigation, not that my opinons matter much. If there are crimes being committed by employees, then, by all means, prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law. However, there is one thing that could be done by our legislature. CW workers on average only stay in those positions for less than one year. That's not saying we don't have long term employees in those positions, but that's not the rule. We have had an annual turnover in those positions of 34% for at least the 20 years that I have worked in OKDHS. Those employees work in the worst of conditions for terrible pay. They also have a caseload of 4 times the national average and 3 times the regional average. If Mr. Hendrick went to the legislature and lobbied personally publically for a hiring of and additional 200 CW workers and an across the board pay raise for CW workers, would most of you object. Count on it. I have heard it a million times. "We have too damned many state employees now", or, even better, "Those state employees are underworked and overpaid", something that our friends at the right-wing Center for Public Policy have vented to the public for several years in spite of the actual statistics published by the federal government and the Oklahoma Office of Personnel Management. You see, it seems to me that it is easier to stand back and throw rock and hard to admit that our public sentiment about state employees and state agencies has made the problem worse instead of better.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:12 pm
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No seat belt? FINE! Speeding? FINE! It isn't the fault or safety. It is all about the money. Federal or State, it makes no difference. Remember the tobacco situation? It ran into the hundreds of billions of dollars. If Mr. Thomas and Mr. Wiland were able to file a suit for, lets say, $100 billion and make the state pay that amount, then these abuses of citizenry would cease to exist. I cannot fathom that every case worker/employ has a Bachelors degree and still have these kind of problems to pervade the system. Money creates most of these problems and large enough money will cause it to stop. Sic'em Mr. Thomas and Wiland and I personally hope you make them bleed cash to a point they will change or cry Uncle. These bureaus have far too much power and it appears that they answer to absolutely no one. That must change or it will continue. I am for major tort reform and despise any type of law suit but this needs to be stopped once and for all.
william, pampa - Aug 10, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Simple, since there are mostly good case workers, then we must prosecute the bad ones that jeopardize these children's lives and put people through unnecessary pain and financial burden. DHS has too much power and protection, no check and balance. If these case workers were held accountable, as they should be, and fired or brought up on charges... I would imagine a lot of change would occur. When you are talking about a child protective service, there really is NO excuses. I understand people make mistakes, however, this agency should not be allowed to make certain mistakes. It should have a zero tolerance. There should be a system in place that would prevent these mistakes. Make these case works public when they deliberately cover up and falsify documents. If DHS truly wasn't trying to cash in on these mistakes, they why are they not paying these people back that have been falsely accused? Why would DHS tell people to get an attorney, instead of doing the right thing? Because they know a lot of the people they make "mistakes" on are not in the position to obtain an attorney or jump through hoops. So there hope is that they will end up keeping the money. Where this money goes I don't know, but I would imagine a thorough investigation would open up a lot of corruption. Write letters, demand this agency be held accountable, protest protest protest. Make your voice loud and clear for our state legislators to hear as well.
Jess, Warr Acres - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:52 pm
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More demonization, huh, burt. You don't even know me. I am waiting for you to post facts and talk intelligently. I may have to wait awhile.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:28 pm
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Carol, stereo-typing 9000 employees as crooks and liars? You know, the Oklahoman has an entire section of their staff that does nothing but be on our case. Don't you think that if this was happening, that they would find out? I will tell you this, if I knew something was going on that involved lying, bribes, stealing, I would personally march over the the Attorney General's office and present him with written docomentation of the crime. All I can say is that you need to back your accustations up with hard proof, not just rumors.

Burt, so you want to penalize all DHS employees for the mistakes of a few? Only if you are willing to donate $100 a month to a charity for every mistake you or your fellow workers make. It's very easy to demonize people that you don't know, but let me give you a little hint. You want to know who you are talking about, look at your neighbors. State employees are tax paying CITIZENS also, not big-brother, not the gestapo...citizens, people of faith, hard workers that work to make a difference, not get rich.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:26 pm
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A, what the heck, send the whole agency out to Nevada and nuke it.
burt, edmond - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:19 pm
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Except for james, he needs to put in $1000 because it looks like the posts below that he is the reason for all of this.
burt, edmond - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:16 pm
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Billy and DeWayne. Before I start let me say that I have been speaking as only citizen James who just happens to work for DHS and I am not representing the official views or policy of OKDHS in any way, shape, fashion or form. I am a mid-level manager in the DHS IT department. As such, I am intimately familiar with the politics of DHS. I have to fight those battles every day. Fortunately, I am in the classified service, which means that my bosses have to have damned good reason to get me in trouble. I have a reputation of being a hell-raiser. I have been involved with projects that helped automate the OAH (Office of Administrative Hearing) system so that the CSED cases with non-custodial parents involving back-owed child support could easily be heard with all of the documents involved imaged and displayed at the county level. I have personally read the riot act to CSED executives not wanting to automate their processes and sticking to the "way it has always been done". I have raised hell about mis-spent money on projects, back-door deals with vendors, and questionable business and managerial practices. As a result, my career has been derailed on a couple of occasions. I go to bed every night not believing that I have not made mistakes, but knowing I gave it my best every day. I have no delusions of my future promotions in DHS. Like they say, "it ain't happening". Having said all of that, I do not, and never have personally worked in CSED or Child Welfare. I am a geek, but I have worked with Mr. Hendrick the ten years that he has been here and I know he likes and respects me personally and professionally. But, even in my times in which I was in the lowest of the dog houses for raising hell, I would not call him and ask for his help, and would never question his professional judgement. The point is this. What possible good could I do to help you Billy? Is this case about trying to right a wrong, or to extract a pound of flesh? I do not know who the persons are who are responsible for this are, and I don't beleive that Mr. Hendrick does either, or probably didn't know before this story broke (I bet he knows now though). Please, give this a few days and see if Mr. Hendrick doesn't take some action. I have faith that he will. Billy, respond to this post with a hyperlink to your firm and I will consider talking to you, but I really doubt that I can help.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:12 pm
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Take $100 from every DHS worker's paycheck for the next 5 years and pay this guy for the humiliation he has experienced.
burt, edmond - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:11 pm
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Remove immunity from lawsuits/prosecution, and you will suddenly see DHS workers do their job right and responsibly.

The crooks within DHS (and there are many, from flat out liars, to ones that take bribes and doctor digital photos, etc.) hide behind this immunity clause.
Carol, Tuttle - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:10 pm
James ... are you going to answer my question?
DeWayne, Mustang - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Judie...OKDHS does indeed do a lot of good, you can read about it at the OKDHS website link to Press Releases. This particular article is not about all the mistakes that have been made at DHS. My case has never been covered by The Oklahoman, eventhough KFOR ran a 2 minute segment last August. I would have to agree with James that MOST employees are good workers. Unfortunately for some of us, we got the not so good workers. And I do know from my own experiences, that when you file a grievance against an employee, the wagons circle and no one can get in.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm
James from Midwest City ... I've just one question for you. Are you going to call Mr. Thomas' lawyer, Billy Wiland? If you really care about the citizens of Oklahoma and agree that DHS has internal problems, then do your civic duty and call Mr. Wiland and help clean up the department. If you aren't willing to do that, then go hide in your department with the rest of the cockroaches and cowards that hide behind the DHS shield.
DeWayne, Mustang - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm
if asking that the agency responsible for protecting children not let them be killed while in there custody is ask in for perfection then perfection is what we need no child should die in DHS custody NO EXCUSES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:10 pm
DHS does not want it discovered that it has happend alot more than 9 times do they
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I am constantly amazed at how people can pick out the worst things that happen anywhere and make it sound at if that is the rule. Why are you not seeing all the good? Could it possibly be because the media does not publicize that or when they do you totally overlook it because it's not something you can complain about. There will never be perfection anywhere. The best we can do is try to correct wrongs and learn from them, but PERFECTION? Grow up! It will never happen.
judie, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:04 pm
DHS won't turn over the records what do theay have to hide JAMES
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:03 pm
It has happened at least 9 times and posibly more JAMES read the story on here "oklahoma DHS wants curtailed discovery process" so it is not the exception it is the rule
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Darren, no question but that this has happened, but it is the exception, not the rule, and it is a tragedy when it does happen. I do have a question. Why were the children living in dirt? If the CW worker removed the children, I can promise it was not just your common "dirty" house, but a real rattrap, or there were "other" issues involved. You know, cleaning a house doesn't take a lot of money, just a little effort. Living in squalor is just one of the warning signs that a case worker looks for as an indicator in determining child neglect or abuse, but it is a big one. Don't get me wrong here. We have had problems with our foster care. Some of those problems occur because of low reimbursement rates for foster care, lack of CW workers to inspect the foster homes, and lack of quality people applying to be foster parents. Folks, if you don't want this to happen, work your butt off to keep the living space for your children at least passable clean. If you want to help with foster care, come and make an application to become a foster parent, or, better yet, apply to be a CW worker. We have lots of openings. The minimum requirment is a bachelor degree...that's it.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:54 am
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Stick, the question about the status of the child is concerning. However, the information that can be given to the public is severly regulated by state and federal laws, most notable HIPPA. Under the circumstances it seems that child had two strikes against it when it was born, but you will admit that taking custody of the child was the correct action. Let's hope that the child had a good outcome, but I'm afraid that we will not know.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:45 am
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stick...I can understand how this mistake could happen. I, my oldest Son, his Son, and another Son of my so-called father all have the same first and last name. I would hope they wouldn't come after my Grandson for paternity, seeing as how he is only 8 years old.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:44 am
Really then why is it that children are taken from a home that is only dirty and placed in a foster home that physicaly abuses and kills these children WHY JAMES WHY WHY WHY
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:43 am
James...thanks for the info. We are also co-ordinating our efforts to "peaceably assemble" at the different branches throughout the County, such as the Rockwell CSED. BTW, I do regularly read the OPEA website...some useful info there for the everyday, run of the mill citizen.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:41 am
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:40 am
Darren, do you really believe that claptrap that you just spouted? The salaries of DHS employees is set by the legislature, not by how much money we get from the feds. The work load on our caseworkers is 4 times the national average, three times the regional average. We are the object of public scorn, the case workers are assulted, spit on, cussed, and are involved in the most dispicable of human situations...custody battles and child abuse. And you say that we are wanting to have more children in our custody? You are out of your mind. I don't know about you, but my life would be a little easier if I had a little less work to do.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:39 am
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What a tragedy for both this young man AND the child. The previous poster was right: Where is the child? Back with cocaine/pothead momma? Even the mother stated they had wrong man. This is really scary, knowing that ANYONE'S life can be turned upside down by a department of the government. I, as a taxpayer, want to file a lawsuit myself for the money it is costing me to defend these kinds of actions. Mistake or not, the person(s) responsible for this should be fired and possibly held to criminal charges if they in fact knew they were lying.
stick, oklahoma city - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:38 am
A little bit of clarification on James' post at Aug 10, 2008 11:19 AM. Must be a Court Ordered/Signed modification. DHS will not accept/acknowledge a written agreement between parents only.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:38 am
Dennis, the rights of citizens to peaceably assemble and protest is protected under the consitution of the United States. If you and your organization beleive that they have wrongs that need to be addressed, then I would encourage your group to organize and protest. Most groups, including an organization I belong to (OPEA), protest on the south steps of the capital. However, might I suggest an alternative location...the east steps of the Sequoyah Building. It would bother the hell out of us, but you might get more press coverage. Besides, I don't work in Sequoyah LOL.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:35 am
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The only goal of these DHS workers is to have as many children in their system as posible because for each one it means the state gets more federal MONEY the less children in the system the less MONEY coming to the state theay keep these children and cases going as long as posible for the MONEY not for the best intrest of the children so because of the MONEY our politicans will never fix this lousy dhs system because the MONEY would stop comming in
Darren, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:32 am
Ramona, if your husband, as part of his divorce decree, agreed to pay a specified amount, then the only way that DHS can stop what they are doing is a modification to the divorce decree. State Law. I understand that hiring a lawyer and going through the courts is expensive. However, that is not the fault of DHS, it is the fault of our legislative system that makes up our laws. In this case, we are just doing what the law demands. It also sounds like some of the blame lies with your husband's attorney for not getting the agreement in writing. We have a rule, if it isn't written down, it doesn't exist.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:19 am
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D, There are over 35,000 state employees (not counting higher ed)and over 45,000 teachers in the state of Oklahoma, plus their families. I tried to do some research on google about how many federal employees there are, but it is not clear how many, well over 5 million is a good estimate. So, Adolph, when are you going to start build your concentration and death camps? I am sorry to be so sarcastic, but your remarks deserve the severest amount of criticism and riducule. If all you have to say is a bunch of idiotic hateful remarks, do us all a favor and go out and play with your tricycle in the freeway. These type of remarks do nothing to further the intelligent discussion about how to make sure that this type of error does not happen again. If you demonize all state employees, you will just make them defensive and NEVER solve any problems. If you have any intelligent ideas, you will be listened to. However, I have not heard any intelligence from you so far.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:15 am
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I am a former DHS employee and married to a man who has a daughter from a previous relationship that is still involved with DHS Child Support Enforcement. He has had this daughter most of her life and he is still paying child support for her. She'll be 18 in a few months and he is still paying. I agree that DHS should pursue those persons that don't support their children, but to the ones that do and have custody of their children, it's unfair. All this time he thought he was close to being finished with this debt, unknown to him that DHS had been charging interest on a case that had back-due child support. He's been to court several times and finally after several years, secured an attorney. The last time he went to court, it was established that he would need to pay only $1300 and the case would be closed. It's been several months since he's been to court, and he has not received any documentation from DHS. I called the attorney on behalf of my husband and found out from the attorney that the agreement was a 'verbal agreement'. I know that people make mistakes, but there have been several made in this case that continue to snowball into more confusion and frustration. And to sum it all up, child support is still being taken out of his paychecks. I feel that something needs to be done. I'll continue to pray for all those involved in this situation and for the many others that haven't been told.
Ramona, Argyle - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:15 am
My family has suffered at the hands of DHS too. Three times they have seized the contents of our joint bank account despite knowing that my husband was unemployed. Their lawyer told me to "get a separate bank account." The child my husband was paying support for was born a year after he had a vasectomy - a year after his ex-wife signed a paper saying that she knew he had a vasectomy and no children would result - a year after they ceased to live in the same house which was long after baby-making activities had stopped. My husband would pick up his children and leave this little girl behind (mommy wouldn't allow visitation) and so she grew up thinking her "daddy" didn't want her. Not realizing that, courtesy of DHS and a lawsuit that was later decided in my husband's favor (dismissed with extreme prejudice), her real father was someone else.
I worry about her. What will happen when she needs to know her complete family history? How will she ever learn the truth?
We asked for an investigation in an attempt to recover some of the costs and were told one would be conducted. Four years later, we have nothing and can't get an answer from anybody.
I realize that the majority of DHS workers are well meaning, but the bureaucracy itself has got to be changed.
Cathy, Norman - Aug 10, 2008 at 11:14 am
Cooter, we have over 9000 DHS employees in over 120 locations all over the state. The vast majority are good willed people who work at DHS to try to make a difference for our citizens. They certainly aren't there for the money for glory. So, are you saying you want to sit outside every DHS office and take pictures of the "criminal" workers? One question...How will you distinguish between the workers and clients? Do you think we all drive Cadillacs, wear fancy diamond rings, all the trappings of wealth and power? The truth is most of our workers are paid well below the regional average and 2/3 of what their counterparts in private industry make. Do we make mistakes sometimes? You bet. It's called being human. Do I condone what happened to Mr. Thomas? Of course not. It was a terrible screw up. If there was negligence or conspiracy involved, those employees should be disciplined and maybe fired. But DO NOT stereotype and demonize all of my fellow DHS employees.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:55 am
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To Atty Wiland...Have you considered a "Class Action" Suit against Oklahoma on behalf of all Non-Custodial Parents and others (as the case may be) with regard to parental rights, child custody, child support, etc.?
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:42 am
When are people going to get a clue and string up ALL politicians & employees on the state and federal level! They have ruined so many lives and continue to draw their fat paychecks! We need fresh new life in our government system - but we can't get the good ones because they don't have the money to run for office. Mr. Thomas and Mr. Wiland - PLEASE don't back down on this one. DHS MUST BE STOPPED NOW!
D, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:38 am
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Depending on how far this goes, you can expect OKDHS will claim that it cannot be sued, and at the same time, OKDHS will offer a settlement in the range of $60,000 to $120,000...check their track record.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:28 am
Mr Thomas, you better not settle this one! If this gets in front of a jury you will be justly compensated for what DHS has done to ruin your education plans, the earnings you missed out on, your reputation, the annoyance that your mom suffered and so on. Best to you.
Tom, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:17 am
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Dear James in Midwest City, my name is Billy Wiland, I am Micheal Thomas' lawyer. I would be delighted to speak with you and simply "pick your brain." Please feel free to call me at your convenience at 918-693-1333
Billy, Tulsa - Aug 10, 2008 at 10:06 am
Cooter...stay tuned in, there are several demonstrations in the planning stages, mostly along the fronts of Father's Rights and NCP's Rights. Phil...you are right on with your post!!! James, Midwest City...Even though we have butt heads a few times in the past, my personal respect for you has gone up tenfold because of your post today.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:46 am
People should start sitting outside DHS offices and taking pictures of who walks in and put them up on myspace...that way we know who is who and which ones to demand go to jail or get fired....this is inexcusable. Oklahoma you're a joke, admit it.
Cooter, Cooterville - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:25 am
This type of criminal behavior on the part of DHS is neither uncommon nor limited to Oklahoma. It happens in nearly every other state, if not all. Child support has become a cash cow for the states. For instance, when the state, using draconian methods to "collect" child support (including from the parents who would pay anyway and like this story in which some man is ordered to pay "child support" for another man's child), the state receives a bonus for each dollar collected from the federal government. (It's a complicated formula but it amounts to the state receiving something like $1.40 for each $1 collected, more than doubling their "profit". Naming the wrong man as father is just one of the results of rushed and botched action on the part of the state and this included courts, DHS, CSE and others.
This story is just a speck on the tip of the iceberg.
Phil, Yukon - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:23 am
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I've been on the receiving end of DHS's incompetence. My first husband's ex-wife filed to have the child support check be send directly to DHS - even though she was paid every month on time. The was not supposed to include payments being made due to the sale of the house. Well DHS completly screwed up and next thing we knew our tax refund was garnished and we had to fight DHS to get it. DHS is a joke of an office.
No Name, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:21 am
Someone should go to jail over this. If there is no accountability, there is no incentive to do things correctly and according to law. The DHS workers involved broke the law, they should be held criminally liable, and the agency owes this young man some money for his troubles.
joe, duncan - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:16 am
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james, not to discount your service but I highly doubt Hendrix would do an investigation because he is to busy with his head up his a%$ not taking care of the issues. I have been thru many things with DHS including adoption of one relatives child and another that we fought for but DHS gave it to a man they declared the father with out a paternity test and now we have no contact and is not allowed to see the child. Don't preach that there are some areas not ran well because if you cant admit the whole agency is a wreck then you only help continue the problems. I hope this lawsuit and cases like this Force the removal of ALL workers, Howard Hendrix and those in administration that have lied, falsified records, denied access to files, and DHS workers over ruling judges because they didn't like the ruling. This whole thing is a huge fire bomb that is about to explode.
Michael, Yukon - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:09 am
P, you are terribly mistaken about DHS being "the fattest agency". We are working well below state authorized FTE level within most of our classifications, especially Child Welfare Worker. The plain and simple fact is that we cannot compete for quality employees with the private sector because our pay is 2/3 of what they would make working in the private sector. Please justify you assertation with facts.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:07 am
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No excuses this time, folks. If you have read my postings before, you know that I am a 20 year DHS employee and very loyal to my agency and my director. However, it looks like we really screwed up on this one. I will tell you that our Child Support Enforcement Division (CSED) is not a well run division. I can also tell you that DHS is one hell of a political machine and Mr. Hendrick does not always have the total control that you think he might. The Division administrators often have the backing of state and federal legislators and are very politically connected. Having said that, I would expect that Mr. Hendrick would order an extensive investigation by a third-party agency (OSBI, etc) and, when the wrong doers are identifed, have them severly disciplined. This just may be the emphasis that Mr. Hendrick needs to get CSED under control.
J, Anonymous - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:03 am
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When will our elected officials begin a serious audit of DHS? How many kids will have to die, either in day care settings or in homes that are not investigated properly, or incidents like this happening. This is probably not the first case like this either. The big rug and broom theory DHS has is getting even bigger. DHS is the fattest State Agency we have. A tragedy occurs and our elected officials throw more money and more employees at them. That does not fix the problem. What else will have to happen before a complete overhaul of the system is done?
P, Tecumseh - Aug 10, 2008 at 9:01 am
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I think it's time for the News Media to start naming names of these OKDHS Caseworkers involved in these matters and start interviewing them as well, simply because George Johnson (chief spokesperson for OKDHS) has a habit of speaking out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 8:23 am
I know someone who was accused of being a sexual abuser for accidentaly walking into a bathroom when a girl was getting out of the shower. He went through a mess for almost a year with DHS trying to take his kids away. He tried to cooperate with them, but got no where. They wanted three character witnesses from him, but then refused to even talk to them. The witnesses even tried to call DHS, but their calls were refused. Once he got everything straightened out, even though they agreed he was innocent, they still refused to take it out of his record, just said they would not prosecute. The DHS is a joke that has to much power and not enough supervision. I know there are times that they are needed, but need to have a little more supervisers with backbone to stand up for what is right!!!
CURTIS, In the Panhandle! - Aug 10, 2008 at 8:05 am
Welcome to our anti-male government out of control. It ruins lives such as this.
Richard, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 7:55 am
DHS spokesman George Johnson said the agency "is hopeful that this matter may be resolved short of litigation.â€

I can’t believe George Johnson said this. This is NOT what he said back in August of last year. You can hear it for yourself at http://cnbpinc.ning.com/video/video/show?id=2066027:Video:2410.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 7:37 am
This is just the tip of the iceberg folks...I know. If you want to learn more, take some time and look at http://cnbpinc.ning.com/profile/Dennis.
Dennis, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 7:30 am
Why aren't these negligent DHS employees being ARRESTED? Along with the OKC Jail employees, they are costing us millions of dollars - and should be charged with FELONIES. That would make them stop abusing citizens real fast!
c, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 7:14 am
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child support is a joke. yes there is dead beat dads and moms but when someone is trying to do the right thing and is paying what he or she can then leave them alone and also the other spouse that is receiving the money should show on record what they are using the money for. one thing dhs does do is they have the bank hold your account without you knowing and if you pay your rent or whatever the checks or debit cards bounce or get rejected. and they are on hold until you contact them to release your account but they will not pay back the bounced checks or the overdrawns that occurred. personally this is not right and they should not have the authority to do such a thing. if i was michael i would sue their punk sorrowful a@#@##es and he should get his scholarship back and money to live comfortably for the rest of his life. screw dhs on some of them but there is a minor few that do try to do things right.
robert, cushing - Aug 10, 2008 at 6:48 am
Robert in Kansas City, it is not unbelievable. If someone will ever take and interest in all the wrongs that dhs has and is doing, there will be a federal investigation of this agency. They constantly run over people that can not afford attorneys and even if you can afford an attorney a lot of judges don't listen to you or your attorney. I really wonder how many men are sitting in Oklahoma prisons falsely accused of a lot of crimes that are totally innocent? Lawmakers, want to start a complete review of all cases involving dhs? You may be able to relieve some of the prison overcrowding by having judges really look at juries verdicts and dhs "convictions". Is there an attorney out there willing to really help falsely accused people? OU, does your law school want to help a lot of people out?
LLLL, Western - Aug 10, 2008 at 6:31 am
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The bigger question here is, where is the child? DHS policy states that if the mother is unable to care for the child then unification must be with the father. If this caseworker believed this man to be the father, serious efforts would have been to place the child with him. Again this is a case where it is NOT about the child. DHS does not seek family placement of the child. The child is a monetary product for DHS to bring money into this criminal orgnization. And Mr. Thomas was just another shill to DHS. What a shame for this man and this child.
ge-mo, Oklahoma City - Aug 10, 2008 at 6:04 am
This is some mess. The Same thing goes on here in Nebraska, especially when it comes to things such as child support. The State has jailed so many men for claimimng they never paid there child support when they had is not funny. I say fight this thing bruh and show them that profiling is not cool. In the words of Maury , "YOUR ARE NOT THE FATHER"
Edward, Omaha - Aug 10, 2008 at 5:24 am
Unbelievable!
ROBERT, KANSAS CITY - Aug 10, 2008 at 1:02 am

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