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Lawmaker says campaign signs defaced
Terrill says campaign signs defaced

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Published: July 8, 2008

The author of Oklahoma's anti-illegal immigration law says several of his campaign signs have been defaced with the words "racist" and "bigot."

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Rep. Randy Terrill, R-Moore, said Monday that dozens of his campaign signs were defaced, primarily in the Norman area.

"It is unfortunate," Terrill said. "It is childish. It is a criminal act. And it is an affront to our electoral process."

Last year, Terrill authored House Bill 1804, legislation that cracks down on illegal immigrants in the state that was signed into law by Gov. Brad Henry.

Earlier this year, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and other business groups filed a lawsuit alleging that a provision of the law subjecting employers to penalties was pre-empted by federal law and is unconstitutional.

U.S. District Court Judge Robin Cauthron issued a decision on June 4 blocking implementation of a provision affecting employers that was set to go into effect July 1. Cauthron said it was likely that the challengers would prevail in their lawsuit.

Most of the strict anti-illegal immigration law took effect late last year. Among other things, it denies state benefits to illegal immigrants and subjects employers and others to a state felony crime for harboring illegals.

Terrill said the 4-foot-square campaign signs, which cost about $25, not including installation and transportation costs, are a means of communication and name identification to voters. The signs had names scrawled on them, had marks through them or were cut up, Terrill said.

He said he has not filed a police report but plans to.

Terrill said he has not had time to replace the signs, adding that the damage occurred recently.

"I don't know who is doing this, but is very likely, from all indications, someone who is opposed to the bill I offered cracking down on illegal immigration and (making) English as the official language," he said.

Terrill's bill to make English the state's official language died in the Senate earlier this year.

Terrill's signs also were defaced in the last election cycle, he said. He said he has received restitution for the signs that were defaced.

Oklahoma Republican Party Chairman Gary Jones said vandalism to campaign signs happens but is not prevalent. Jones said he advises candidates to replace the signs and file a police report.

Jones is no stranger to shenanigans during an election. He had a campaign trailer stolen when he was running for the state auditor and inspector's post in 2006.

Terrill faces Republican Curtis Bruehl of Norman in the July 29 primary election. Democrats Troy Green of Oklahoma City and Charles Barnes of Norman also are seeking the post.

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cucumber, are you against Illegals or Mexicans? I can't tell by your posts. one minute you makes sense (illegals are wrong) but then you say something that makes you sound like a big A-- Bigot: "You can be living in the street and Mexicans will be ,living in your home. So go ahead and support them, they will have everything you have worked your life away for."
Renee, edmond - Jul 10, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Yet another who addresses the illegal alien issue with the term "Mexicans". Not all Mexicans are illegal.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 10, 2008 at 1:37 pm
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GO HOME VATOS!
If you're illegal, you're illegal. No bigotry about it.
Mexicans can eat my smelly cheese covered burrito as I bounce off the back of their adenoids.
JenniRules, OakCity - Jul 10, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I'm not in Terrill's area so whether or not I'd vote for him doesn't matter. I never assumed that I had you figured out. The only thing I addressed was your own comments. It doesn't matter what color you are, what your job is, or whether or not you're a criminal. I wasn't addressing any of those things, only your bigoted comments that ALL Mexicans are illegal and ALL Mexicans need to go back to Mexico. There's nothing ambiguous about your own words, Cuke.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 10, 2008 at 12:23 am
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Randy, Clay Bennett is one of the good guys. He brought the Sonics here, didn't he? Thanks for mentioning me in the same sentence as him. I do appreciate that.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Paula, dearie, be sure and vote for Terrill. Better yet, since you have all the answers, you run for office. Hell, you already have all the Mexican votes. All BS aside, you really think you have me figured out. You can read one comment and see into someone's heart. Do you know what color I am? Do you know the things I've done to feed my family? Have I been to jail? Have I ever stolen anything? No, you would be very surprised, but of course you already know. You know everything.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:25 pm
Randy, do we have a problem with the illegals? Is it legal for them to be here?
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:06 pm
job market in oklahoma. what a joke. alomost every business has a help wanted sign. cucumber please dont tell me you clay bennett's assistant and the mexicans are gonne git yer job!! come on over and have a beer, ill drive you around my district and prove every word i say.
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:51 pm
i can prove everything i say cucumber. want to take me up on it?
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:49 pm
OMG--you mean we're even behind Arkansas and New Mexico economically? Are you speaking per capita income, or median income?
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jul 9, 2008 at 6:40 pm
cucumber...slither back under your rock and...while you're at it, take a course on economics. All 1804 has done is put oklahoma at an economic disadvantage with every neighboring state.
Jonathon, Oklahoma City - Jul 9, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Randy, Moore, you're a fool, plain and simple. You don't have a clue of what you are talking about. You base your opinion on the fact you don't like Terrill. You need to look at what is happening to our economy and job market.Okla. may be at the bottom of everything like you state(I really doubt that), but the Mexicans won't bring that up, they'll make it lower. They have no loyalty to Okla. or America. They hold there loyalty to Mexico.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 9, 2008 at 4:59 pm
All of you that support these people need to really see how easy it is for the illegals. They don't have to qualify for a home or auto loan. And they can't be repo'ed. You can be living in the street and Mexicans will be ,living in your home. So go ahead and support them, they will have everything you have worked your life away for.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 9, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Can't we all just...get along? :)
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Jul 9, 2008 at 4:35 pm
if he sticks one on my lawn, im going to stick it straight up his....
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Political "sign wars" have been waged in Oklahoma (and other states I'm sure)for the past 60 years. It's not right to do this, but only Randy Terrill, the ultimate conspiracy theorist, would rush to hold a news conference to get a little more publicity for his strange beliefs.
Mandell, Tulsa - Jul 9, 2008 at 3:26 pm
you broke the law, deport yourself.
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 3:18 pm
what a bunch of crap! It comes down to this: someone is here illegally (breaking the law), so we should send them back until they can come back legally (visa or citizenship). If you break the law (come here illegally) and are here illegally (kinda goes hand-in-hand) you should be sent back to your country of LEGAL residence. It's not that hard.
curtis, cushing - Jul 9, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Does the American people need to escalate the 315 million plus population, the census estimates we have now? To a new total of 435 million because the new president wants to add a new blanket AMNESTY? Right now the dire consequences of overpopulation is irrefutable, by just looking at the congestion in our cities, along with the ever growing pollution. We cannot sustain supporting even larger numbers of people, or ignoring the predatory businesses that callously assume that legal citizens will support their cheap labor? We, the American welcome more legal immigrants, than any other country in the world, whatever their national origin. Yet the 'Special interest lobby, through certain corrupted politicians expect us to import poverty, so that the profits of rogue companies is not suspended.


The Diversity Alliance for Sustainable America www.earthtimes.org/have stated in it's article that if the U.S. grants amnesty and gives citizenship to 12 to 30 million illegal migrants, as Senators Obama and McCain propose. All those naturalized citizens could possibly add 120 million U.S. and foreign-born relatives to the U.S., in the next 20 years whom all would CONSUME MAJOR ENERGY. Only THE FEDERAL SAVE ACT (H.R.4088) offers any chance of halting this overpopulation quagmire It's enactment will give ICE and the police more enforcement powers. Join NUMBERSUSA for free and become part of a solution and not lies.
Dave, Indianapolis - Jul 9, 2008 at 12:27 pm
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diane just admitt it, you just a mexican hater. ive flown an italian flag for 30 years(not an american one). america is an italian word. discovered by an italian. paid for by the spanish won with the help of the french. it was taken from the indians, who were part of the migration of the asians colonizing down to the tip of south america. you have less than 100 years on this planet, try to enjoy it more.
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 11:51 am
diane, when you say "looks like mexifornia" thats when i know you are racist. in my state there are entire black towns, entire white towns, mixed towns, chinatowns, polishtowns, italian towns, mexican towns. my granfather came over in a boat in 1897 and was named "tony" because thats what was written on his forehead, TO N.Y..( to: new york). in 1944, japanese were put into camps at hollywood park because people like you thought it was better to segregate. maybe if you went down to the border with your racist buddy's you could shoot them come into california. you see diane. oklahoma does not border another country. i know that i wish mexico would take over texas, but thats just me. see diane. the people in oklahoma need better politicians. did you know that oklahoma is virtually at the bottom of everylist. teen pregnancy, bad roads, dirty water, 40 murders allready this year, need more police, better health care, better schools, highest dropout rate, heck if we had more fire fighters we could send them to help with your fires. there are countless other issues in oklahoma that deserve more attention from the good people in oklahoma than immigration. you people in the states where it does matter just need to do a better job. that is kind of one of the reasons us simple folk like it out here. we gave up the beach, but it dont take long to get there.
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 11:44 am
Mexicans have total loyalty to Mexico. That's why they display their flags. On 4th of July here in L.A. Mexicans & Chicanos call our special day "The farce of July!" (place it on google).
They also claim to have had these territories stolen from them? Their flag was on U.S. soil 26 years BIG DEAL!
They stole the territory from Spain who was here over 300 years (hence the Spanish names).
Yet they never will acknowledge NATIVE AMERICANS.
It was stolen Mexican land only in their eyes.
And they are taught in Mexican schools that the U.S. stole their territory and they have every right to take it back.
I have read Mexicans on message board claim that their dream is of a Mexico America.
This is why they fight so hard to call us racists and bigots.
Diane, Los Angeles - Jul 9, 2008 at 11:31 am
Paula, I agree. I guess the one thing that bugs me the most is the way that some prominent leaders in the Hispanic community who are either legal residents or citizens of USA, do not support the enforcing of the immigration laws and seem to show more loyalty to Mexico (carrying Mexico flags at rallys, signs that say that Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, and California were stolen from Mexico)than to our country. Our freedom as been purchased with the blood of countless patriots over the years and to have people being openly loyal to another country and openly supporting the lawless uncontrolled entry over southern borders burns me up. If you are an American, support America. If you are a resident, remember that you are here by CHOICE and have some respect.
J, Anonymous - Jul 9, 2008 at 11:10 am
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Legal residents are not just "visitors" James. They are residents. They live here. I don't disagree with the majority of your post, but reducing legal residents to "visitors" only serves to further the reasoning that "cucumber" uses when s/he proclaims that ALL Mexicans are illegal and ALL Mexicans need to go back to Mexico.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:58 am
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First. People who are not Americans (still citizens of another country), whether legal or not cannot vote and have no say in our elections or politics. They are visitors. Second. Illegal aliens are just that, ILLEGAL, and should be deported. Third, any person that harbors an illegal alien should be prosecuted criminally. If that person is a citizen of another country, that person should be criminally prosecuted and then deported. That is not being racist, this is the law in this country and pales in comparison to the laws in most country regarding aliens, including Mexico. I am a democrat and probably would not support many things that Rep. Terrell would propose, but I DO SUPPORT HB 1804. The only reason IMAO that the chamber of commerce and other large companies do not support 1804 is because the presence of illegal aliens drives down the wages of legal aliens and citizens. I have no problem with Hispanic people. One of the best doctors in OKC is Hispanic and works in a clinic in Bethany. That doctor has been a Godsend to my family and I treause her presence in my life. I just believe that we are a country that believes in a system of LAW, and believe that the current law should be enforced. Period.
J, Anonymous - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:46 am
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Diane, apology accepted. Also, I am not the kind of person who tells people if they don't like the country they can leave it, so you'll never hear that from me. It angers me when people say that to each other just because they disagree on an issue.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:43 am
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Paula I apologize.
I am so fed up with this illegal invasion that I am ready to leave this county.
This is no longer the U.S. only the young liberals can't see it and never will.
Also my ancestors were here for centuries-Native Americans. So don't tell me that I should leave.
What is happening is sad.
Mexicans try to say they are from here "we didn't cross the border the border crossed us" BS.
They crossed the border. Natives never allowed them here as they scalped Apaches for silver!
Diane, Los Angeles - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:30 am
Randy dearie,
When your state looks like Mexifornia please don't run to Canada.
And if Jesus Christ had put up the signs you would still
feel he was a bigot. You mind is set.
Diane, Los Angeles - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:25 am
Diane, first of all please refrain from calling me dearie. It's condescending and unnecessary. Secondly, I was speaking to "cucumber" who DID say that ALL Mexicans need to go home. "cucumber" also stated that ALL Mexicans are illegal. Additionally if you actually read my post, you'll see that I agree that there is a problem with illegals. And yes, my Hispanic friends who are legal also agree with that assessment. But it is offensive and yes bigoted when people take the stance that ALL Mexicans (or all brown people, really, because they don't know the difference between Mexican and Puerto Rican and Cuban and Colombian, etc.) are illegal and shouldn't be here. As someone who has many legal Hispanic friends, you should find "cucumber's" comments as offensive as I did.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:10 am
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diane is randy terrill, check the ip
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:03 am
Diane dearie.. this subject is about illegally posting signs. then they get defaced. "Advocate breaking our laws and calling Americans bigots and racist for championing lawfulness?" you have no idea. terrill threatened another lawmaker on the capitols steps, did he break the law...yes...terrill regularly post signs illegally...did he break the law...yes.. terrill drives a little white nissan truck 60 miles an hour in a 40 mile hour zone...did he break the law... yes.. if you knew anything , you would know terrill chose this topic to campaign for because it is a slam dunk issue(i mean who is not against illegal immigration), it divides the public so terrill(the new career politician) can get into higher office. diane, i have lived in terrills district since before terrill was born(up in alva). moore/norman does not have an immigration problem. moore/norman has other problems. like sewage, sprawl, education, police, fire, public parks, dirty water, crime, education, etc...etc.... if you like terrill so much then why dont you get him out in l.a.. we dang sure dont need his kind here. so do your homework diane. terrill is a racist. terrill is a bigot. i commend the poeple spraypaints his signs with the truth. i just wish they had the courage to take it further.
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 10:03 am
Parts of Los Angeles look like TJ.
You want that in the U.S.? I don't.
Diane, Los Angeles - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:58 am
"Randy Terrill for governor.We love 1804 and official English."

Right on with this comment!!!
Diane, Los Angeles - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:55 am
the vast majority of people in norman, and moore hate randy terrill. why dont one of these 800000 illegals go pay him a visit????
Randy, Moore - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:53 am
Paula dearie,
Please stick to the story subject ok? This is about open border advocates defacing signs due to a man Rep. Randy Terrill's fight against illegal immigration.
It's called HARASSMENT!
Isn't this what open Border advocates do best? Advocate breaking our laws and calling Americans bigots and racist for championing lawfulness?
No one is attacking legal immigrants who work hard and pay taxes.
I have many Mexican friends (citizens) that are against illegal immigration and are attacked as "Coconuts" and "sell outs" by leftist Hispanic groups.
They use our civil rights laws to invade the U.S.
Do your homework Paula!
Diane, Los Angeles - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:53 am
the racist are the ignorant fools who do things like this and just enforces the reason they need to be gone
James, Myrtle Beach - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:53 am
Good thing I don't believe in god then, huh tu?
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 9, 2008 at 9:51 am
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hey okies! you are garbage people and god hates all of you
tu, Oklahoma City - Jul 9, 2008 at 8:53 am
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Cucumber, how many Mexicans do you know personally? I know plenty and none of them are illegal, nor are they harboring any illegals. They all work hard every single day, pay taxes like you and I, only to be told to "go back to Mexico" by bigots who think all Mexicans are illegals. That's what I was addressing. Let me see if I can make it clear for you and everyone like you: Not all people who were born in Mexico are in this country illegally. Additionally, if you hear someone speaking Spanish in public it doesn't always mean they don't know English. I'd be willing to bet that if you were in Mexico (or any other non-English speaking country) with your family/friends, you'd speak to your family/friends in English. AND, not all people who can't speak English are unwilling to learn. I've known at least half a dozen people who couldn't speak a word of English when they first came here and they've all learned just fine over the years. Not one of them was unwilling to learn. YES there is a problem with illegals. Even Outlaw knows that and has said as much. The problem lies when people equate ALL Hispanic people as being here illegally. That's where the racism and bigotry comes in, and you displayed that perfectly when you made the following comments, and I quote: "No I think think everyone knows that it was Mexicans, since they are all illegal... It is time for all Mexicans to go home(Mexico)." What about the Mexicans (and other Latin American people, because not all brown people are Mexican) who are here legally? You made no provisions for them. Yes, that makes you a bigot.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 9, 2008 at 8:28 am
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T. A., Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:03 pm
The bad news for those who support the illegal invasion of this country and state is that Randy Terrill wouldn't have to put one sign out and he'd still getting voted back into office. Why??? Because the vast majority of the citizens of Oklahoma like what he's done so far and we want him back in office.
T. A., Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Randy Terrill for governor.We love 1804 and official English.
charles, tulsa - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:32 pm
randy, when you see one of these criminals doing it again, shoot the sob and be done with it. that is exactly were we are headed with the courts caring more about non citizens then citizens. all you idiots calling mr terrill all these names, what are you calling gov henry and all the others that voted for this great law, the same?
richard, oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Fernando from Enid, sadly, all of the hispanics in Terrill's district are illegal and cannot vote.
LG, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:16 pm
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I'm sorry Kelly your probably a nice enough person but not liking his delivery and hating his truck is no justificaltion for ignoring the laws of this country. Your answer speaks clearly to how a sector of our society basis a great number of its decisions disregard the content and focus on the shiny delivery. I bet you love Obama but couldn't name one piece of legislation he has authored or been instrumental in passing. I get hit up by these politicians you guys love and or hate for support all the time and they are all very similiar. One group treats you somewhat like an adult the other relies on your sense of entitlement and lack of knowledge and hopes the warm fuzzy feeling will get you to vote for them without the substance. You seem like a lights and show voter hope it works out for you.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Hey, at least we have the Sonics!
John, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:59 pm
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Paula, you say I'm a racist and a bigot for saying all Mexicans should go back. Any legal Mexicans that are harboring illegals, should be also considered as illegals. Paula, do you think we have problem with illegals? If so, what do you think should be done?
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Outlaw might be right about Terrill, he may be a racist and a bigot. I don't really know, I've never met the man. Without talking to someone, it's hard for me to judge what he is. Outlaw says that the illegals need to be dealt with. I wonder how he would do that.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Outlaw's points about Terrils "racist opportunism" don't require any Googling on my part, Brent; they are backed up by my own observations. I've watched him grandstand from the observation area of the OK Legislative chambers, in the news media, even driving his sad little "Reelect Randy Terril" pick-up truck up and down I-35 every day.
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:55 pm
haha
Miguel, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Sorry, I had to drive home from work.
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:51 pm
defaced with the words "racist" and "bigot." I'm just glad it was in English.
Miguel, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Unfortunately I have things to attend to Kelly if it takes you this long to register a thought it would be dreary discussing the issue with you anyway. I leave you all with a thought often mis credited to the writer Voltaire "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." -Evelyn Beatrice Hall - under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Whats wrong Kelly Google lock up on you trying to refute any of my thoughts. Its a little easier to just call someone names and go away verses backing your opinion up with accepted fact isn't it.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Tick Tock. If your going to make an accusation of hot air please back it up or you fall into the same category as Outlaw spouting things that bear no weight to advance your flawed agenda or to make yoursefl feel better despite your failings.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Kelly since he was unable to clearly explain his position and justify his beliefs how about you take a shot and see if you can convince anyone.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 5:05 pm
I don't want him to rephrase it; I wish he hadn't said it at all. My point is that Outlaw seems to display clearer thinking but in a manner that takes away from his good points. You (Brent) are just a pseudo-intellectual elitist who types post after post of well-spoken, seemingly intelligent ideas which upon further examination are just so much hot air.
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:50 pm
I guess he sucked up enough of the company time and he had to leave for the southside (tacoville).
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:48 pm
Because if that's thinking we are truly doomed.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:45 pm
How do you want him to rephrase die by taco Kelly?
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm
Jimmy he gets the last laugh if he did serve I have to pay to bury his sad self. I just hope he doesn’t procreate. I love that the Romans were able to work for less than a week and make their tax burden to support an empire hopefully we get there someday and guys like him will fall into their meaningless existence as they should.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:43 pm
If we could marry Outlaw's thinking with Brent's linguistic skills, we might have something!
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Good deal, now Jimmy is ready to leave it, as opposed to love it. I bet if you asked Brent real nice like, he might let you wipe his arse for a small pitance. You two have been a hoot! GOODNIGHT OKLAHOMA CITY!
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Brent, You are most definitely wasting time on a no talent has been and this guy has never served anything but himself. If he is what represents our military then we are in trouble to say the least. The true military have more class than to get on some little forum and bash people for believing in the law. Had he served in the military he would know respect for the law. He has an agenda just like I said the first time . He and his opinions are ridiculous and with enough like minded people will be the downfall of this country. I guess I'm glad you have enough money to leave it, I wish the rest of us did. I hope I live long enough to laugh at the likes of the great Outlaw (not that I'm not already) it will serve them all right.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Sounds good you faux elitist unAmerican dbag. I wonder...if you were half the man your father was...would you have time to waste on little ole me? Your attempt to paint yourself as an intellectual has failed Brent. Just as your attempt to paint yourself as a true patriot, serving you country from the voting booth! How noble, if we only had more people like you around we'd be speaking German right now...or would that be Japanese? Sayonara dbag!
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:33 pm
oh my god, high school football? jesus christ you people are too pathetic to live
tu, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:31 pm
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If they are there illegally bring it to someone's attention who monitors these things Randy. I doubt he walks along the road and sticks them in the ground himself but his campaign should follow the rules if he wishes us to obey them.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Does anyone else have an opinion this guy is insufferable. Who cares who wins between Jenks and Union. Hold tight to your hate and your ignorance I'm done with you it would take me years of posting to undo the historical and social inaccuracies in your beliefs. I fear you only wish to have some childish last word as if this were a school ground so go to it I'll ignore you moving forward.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:24 pm
maybe they would not get defaced if the signs were posted legally. i can show you more than twenty terill signs posted illegally in northwest norman. if terrill doesnt have to obey the law do i? thats the real story here.
Randy, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:20 pm
So I'm guessing that's a yes on Union taking it to Jenks? And yes, I do hope that Terrill chokes to death on a taco. He's a grandstanding racial opportunist who only cares about gaining the support of conservitive hypocrites who are easily fooled...i.e. you Brent! I always thought the liberals were the 'entitled' ones, I can't say that I've ever met anyone quite like you Brent...that's a good thing in my book.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I have homes all over Outlaw I haven't been to Jenks in a year. Every time you make an assumption you look sillier. You have gone from die on a taco to kick them all out I guess my work is done then.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:13 pm
And yes, this country was made on the backs of the poor, they're the ones who actually do the work...see: Slavery.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Do you even know where that came from Outlaw? And by what terms they viewed someone as a man? Please educate yourself before speaking you make my point again. The Romans held that view and our founding fathers adopted it to represent an educated landholder as man. They viewed you as substandard and just above how the Spartans would have felt about you so be thankful you were born now and not then. I disagree with both the Romans and the Spartans but your ideas make me wonder if they were not on to something
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:10 pm
You need some work on your reading comprehension Brent, I've said at least three times now that I'm all for kicking out illegal immigrants. I think you've been exposed enough, I'll leave you be for the rest of the day. BTW, is Union going to kick the crap out of Jenks second rate football team again this year? I guess you can't buy talent can you. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Nice Outlaw you start out telling people to choke on a taco and when your position is exposed as unintelligent and contradictory you crumble. Do you know how insincere you sound telling people to walk the walk acting like you are some role model? I have never devalued anyone’s opinion I would love it if you had one instead you have class envy and name calling. How many times do I have to tell you that you are making my point for me? You claim to love your country but won’t do what is necessary to uphold its laws? Every post exposes your lack of intelligence --made on the backs of the poor--- please this country was founded by rich landholders who were fleeing from taxes. You and your kind keep pushing the wealthy with your envy and ignorance and we will leave and you will have to pay your own bills then what?
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:06 pm
ohhh We want to talk about the drain on the sytem... Would this be the same system that Pratically pays women to sit at home and have babies, and give them NO incentive to go out and get a job?? If you want to fix a "drain" on the system there is where you start.
Steve, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Sorry Kelly, I'm just bored at work and Brent makes for an effective time killer. Here's another one for you Brent...'We hold these truths to be self evident, ALL MEN are created EQUAL'...it means that you're not superior to anyone.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:57 pm
all okies, regardless of their opinions are garbage people, the worst of the worst and dont deserve citizenship of any kind
tu, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:56 pm
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While I do think that Outlaw needs to relax a bit, I can DEFINITELY say that Brent can sure type a bunch of words without actually saying anything!
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:56 pm
The silver spoon arguement? Never heard of it, is it one of those sacred arguement that only trust fund babies are aware of?? You're not big enough to actually go out and serve your country but you devalue the opinions of those who do. For you service means picking up a pen and making a mark on a ballot. If only the good men and women of this country could have done that and won all the wars that were waged on your behalf. Instead they had to actually walk the walk and give their lives. You've stated that a mere few thousand average people lives is worth the price of having women in Iraq cast a vote, the highest for of service to someone who doesn't know the meaning of service. I know it's hard for you to understand from your guilded castle Brent, but this country was made on the backs of the poor and the people who were willing to put up with discomfort long enough to effect change by actually DOING something. You've shown through your postings that you are not one of these people, and in fact, you don't respect these people enough to value their opinions. I'm sure you barely let them make money for you so that you can maintain your intellectual superiority by continuing your scholarly ways, but their opinon matters not. To you they are only sheeple, of whom you should be in control. Your true colors have been revealed my boy, and they are not red, white, and blue. You are a faux American, a traitor of the highest caliber and should be condemed as such.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I thought you would go there Outlaw the old silver spoon argument by someone who wants to blame others for their own shortcomings. I expected it but I am still disappointed and sad that you say you served this country but didn’t even know why or failed to recognize why. When I pay my taxes I have you to hold up as my prize. Maybe Mexico isn't so bad after all.

Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Randy, step away from the vodka dude. Take a breath or something.
OK, Lahoma - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:40 pm
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I thought you would go there Outlaw the old silver spoon argument by someone who wants to blame others for their own shortcomings. I expected it but I am still disappointed and sad that you say you served this country but didn’t even know why or failed to recognize why. When I pay my taxes I have you to hold up as my prize. I think I'm getting screwed.

Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Terrill--Kern--Rinehart--Cargill...another stellar year in Oklahoma politics!
G, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:37 pm
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racists=randy terrill supportsers. if you stooges up near tulsa love him so much. take him. the people in terrills discrict do not like him. and why does your boy terrill get to threaten people, post illegal signs and nothing happens to him? your a bunch of cowards. maybe if you guys started lifting my underwear you may become 1/2 the man you think you are. and if you dont like it come put your face near my right hand.
Randy, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:35 pm
So you inherited your money and your a voter booth patriot. I think this tells me all I need to know. What have you ACTUALLY done yourself....besides read a book? BTW, after serving my country by serving in our military for 20+ years I went to college and received a degree. Don't preach to me son, I've earned everything I've ever gotten, not had it handed to me like you. Now go put up the flag your daddy's money bought you in the front yard and look down on the people who made you who you are today.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:34 pm
it seems too much credence today is put into having an absolute, candid, i know better point of view. Because to be reasonable today potentially implies naivity.
Yes, there is alot of b.s in the media, all opinionated, agenda driven news. As a result we all feel a need to scream the truth we otherwise see in an indignant way, as if it somehow detaches us from the b.s.
More emotions, less solutions.
Decisions are best made on the facts. Be nice if politicians would debate and address issues with more focus on the facts.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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Outlaw I am far from a blowhard do nothing I have taken a vast inheritance (yes I was blessed) and I took my fathers teachings and protected it and grew it to leave to my own children. I pay more into the system to support the broken structure than most could fathom. If I put my own families’ belongings at risk on a business decision and fail it is my tough luck if I succeed I am expected to share my reward with those who never shared my risk. I accept this and as I said before I only hope that more people educate themselves to better shape this country. Instead for my investment I get people like you who failed to better themselves enough to make an intelligent decision that affects us all and then has the nerve to distort history and tell me what our forefathers though. Please read your history before telling me they wanted you to have a voice when that is exactly what they feared. They only wanted you to have the impression that you had an affect on your surrounding because they realized most are not ready for that responsibility. D I respect your opinion and you have well thought out views and good intentions. But the intention has to be genuine on both sides of the issue and will require work form both groups. I fear however that one side lacks the intestinal fortitude to ever put in the effort.

Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:22 pm
The facts more often than not will SCREAM the solution without the need for anyone to get excited, fractious and personal.
You wanna tell me that's politically correct? It's called respect for your fellow man.
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:21 pm
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Well then, it starts here on a lowly message board. We owe it to ourselves, our families, our country,and the readers to debate these issues in a way that is reasonable and respectful focusing on the facts. Like in highschool debates. Just the facts. And in review of those facts if we are truly putting personal feelings aside and are in the interest of the greater good then the solution will come. Guys, we all know better, patience, respect for your fellow American. Dont get drawn in to emotional, personal b.s.
And if someone claims youre point of view is personal, well just like in High School, the facts.
Go forward in reverse. (as someone once said)
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:18 pm
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Ghee, I wonder what our forefathers would have done if they were expected to be "politically correct" and "nice". The law says what it says - we are just now actually "enforcing" it as we should be and that is that. Illegal immigration issues are real, the money it is costing us, our children, and our grandchildren in the future is real. The signs were mutilated because people now think they can run over us and make us feel guilty for wanting to protect our country and enforce laws. If we write on a ticket will an officer tear it up??? I think not. I need to get back to work lol
Debbie, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:18 pm
I'm from Oklahoma, so I cherish actions over words any day. It's much better to be well done than well said. And in case you are wondering, I actually served my country for over 20 years in the military. 21 years if you include my time in voting booths.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:14 pm
And who decides who's opinion is correct Brent? The guy who holds a gun in defense of his country or the one who thinks their a frickin patriot because the cast a ballot?
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:12 pm
The only answer is the one our founding fathers came to D we must be protected against the uneducated mob. We are our worst enemy. Cooperating and being an appeaser accomplishes nothing but more of the status quo.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Your exactly righ D. We're not a unified country anymore, we're a house divided. I'm sure the fall of Rome began in much similar fashion.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Guys like Brent and Outlaw collaborating for the greater good, putting personal feelings aside is how we get things done in this country.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:09 pm
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So you are a blowhard flagwaving do nothing, exactly as I expected. You enjoy your freedom, the freedom made on the backs of people bigger than you...but you advocate taking away the voice of people who disagree with your opinions. Fortunately the founders of our country knew enough people like you were around so they guaranteed that everyone could have a voice...not just the folks who think they've got it figured out and everyone else is an idiot. Why don't you go walk the walk instead of talking the talk Brent, I might actually respect you enough to give your opinion some weight then.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:08 pm
This is exactly the breakdown we have in the political system, it is being highlighted by Brent and Outlaw, it gets personal, nasty and nothing gets done, 2 sides further apart. Its gotta be about whats best for the greater public.
c'mon guys.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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D he will never understand because he lacks the desire to affect his own surroundings. People will take the time and put forth the effort to write Bigot or Racist on someone’s sign but will not take the time to become a legal citizen or change the system that has created the mess someone is trying to fix. Typical.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 3:04 pm
I serve my country every day Outlaw by learning about the foundation it was built upon and using my position and wealth to protect it to the best of my ability. Did I carry a gun for it? No. would I if called upon? Without question. If you and your kind continue to degrade our society will I have to some day? Probably.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Terrill has received national recognition as Oklahoma has for making an effort on an important issue that has been mired in rhetoric for years.
You have to start somewhere, the results this year, ask around the community were astonishing, unfortunately most illegals winded up in other states. Hats of to Terrill for making a stand.
Conversely, if a stand is made and national policy adopted to this effect, some revision of the legalization process obviously needs to be implemented.
21 million LEGALS kicking in their share, now thats good for America.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:57 pm
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WOW Outlaw you start with die via taco among other small minded insults and you expect anyone to assume you possess intelligence and ability to carry on a rational discussion? Your own words undermine your view and further advance my opinion that uneducated populace such as yourself acts against the advancement of our society on this and all issues. And yes since they have fouled our constitution to take advantage of people like you in order to gain office and influence I wish there was a way to fairly evaluate intelligence in voters. This is impossible and unfair in application so I can only hope some of you lemurs wake up and educate yourself about the issues instead of just crying all the time.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Don't forget the second post Brent, If terrill has children I hope they get knocked up by illegal hispanics!! I thought both post were quite funny, any response to my question? Have you served your country outside of a voting booth, have you ever walked the walk or do you just like to talk about it?
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:52 pm
As I have stated before and will do so again, I am 100% against illegal immigration and the negative effects that these people place on our social service system. This is just to clarify for some who may not want to read through all the prior post. If you really wanted to stop illegal immigration then mine the boarder...passing BS laws for publicity sake is not the answer.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:51 pm
D this is Outlaws original post to begin the discussion do you find him someone willing to make the necessary sacrifices to change the situation?

I hope he chokes to death on a taco.
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Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:50 pm
If you want to discuss this rationally then that's great Brent, lets discuss one thing at a time so we don't get our wires crossed up. You think that voting is service to our country...but not just voting..it must be with a clear mind and proper understanding. How exactly do you define what a clear mind and proper understanding is? Does that mean if I disagree with you then I'm not of clear mind and proper understanding? Have you ever served your country outside of a voting booth, you know, walked the walk?
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I agree outlaw, token measures in any area have token results. Which is why a stand needs to be made. Overhauls needs to be overhauled.
Youre exactly right.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:47 pm
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it's like not supporting someone who wants to get steroids out of baseball because you know that guy hates bodybuilders.
Who cares, is it good for baseball?
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:45 pm
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Sure, it's great for publicity...but what does it really do in the long term? Hiring illegal immigrants has always been illegal hasn't it? Now you have to have ID, big whoop, not the fake ID guys are in business. The problem is bigger than Oklahoma.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Outlaw you display even further ignorance by assuming that I haven’t served my country or I don’t currently serve in any capacity. I argue that being intelligent enough to vote with a clear mind and proper understanding is service in and of itself. More people have died for far less personal freedom than the right to vote. I make a simple example of your hypocrisy in the voting. Our reason for being there goes well beyond a mere vote. You not understanding this very basic but simple act further makes my point about the decay of our understanding and under appreciation of our own liberties and the price they have attached to them.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Outlaw, regarding your opinion of Terrill. Even if he is, as you say, a racial opportunist, if his motivations arent pure but the result is in the best interest of the long term welfare of our country, why the fuss?
He could dress like a tranny when he gets home, if he helps the country, isnt that net/net good?
Actions.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:40 pm
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If I may Paula, a typical conservative dbag, i.e. Brent, Jimmy, consist of someone so willing to let everyone else know how they should do things without actually doing it themselves....hypocrite. Jimmy thinks you should love it (his opinion that is) or leave it (the country in which we ALL live in). Brent thinks that we invaded Iraq so that women could vote. Typical D U M B A S S E S.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:39 pm
And what the hell does any of this have to do with Randy Terrill being a racist opportunist?
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Paula my opinion of a typical liberal is someone who for lack of personal responsibility will place blame for their own or a groups own shortcomings on someone other than the responsible party. I view it as a path of least resistance approach that fits lazy ideas and unrealistic real life application. It is a corruption of nature and a lie used by politicians to get an uneducated lazy voter to put them in a position to better themselves financially or bolster their ego with power and corruption. That cover it for you?
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm
I promise you Brent, I'm know my audience and am speaking to them in a way in which they can easily understand. You obviously got the message. You think that the invasion of Iraq was worth it so that the women there could vote? And you're preaching to me about ignorance?? You are some kind of delusional if you think a womans vote in a Muslim country amount to what's on the bottom of your shoe. I'll go ahead and answer the question for you so you don't get confused...no...it doesn't mean crap. If you're so full of pride in American why don't you jump up and get on down to the recruiting station, if you've got time to post on this forum then you should have plenty of time to go defend OUR country. Your one of those flag waving hypocrites who haven't done anything except tow the party line. Keep it up ballboy, as if our country isn't in enough trouble as it is.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Over $286 billion has been wired to Mexico since 1996.
No further question your honor.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:32 pm
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The media feeding the uneducated populace and people like Outlaw who are unable to intelligently defend their position be it right or wrong was the primary fear our founding fathers had when they set up our government as an electorate and not a pure democracy.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:32 pm
At the risk of being called a bigot, let me share these facts:
Cost of social services for illegal immigrants since 1996:
$397,464,075,867
illegal immigrants in the U.S. 08
21,619,000. +/-
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:30 pm
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Brent, what exactly is a "typical liberal" anyway?
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:29 pm
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Outlaw you resorting to a low brow sheep joke only further makes you look simple and outclassed in any conversation with the rest of us. I would suggest you put some thought into your position or revise it.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Outlaw do you consider the right to vote a freedom? Do you consider the right to attend school a freedom? These are basic rights denying that they existed to fit your political bliss and justify your ignorance is also typical. When your ignorance infringes on the rights of those around you the rights themselves become null and void. I assure you I am not angry at you just wish you were more intelligent so your liberal cronies would have no chance at ever being elected. You do realize they are banking on your ignorance right?
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Politicians have created so much mistrust that even honest efforts get viewed as disingenuous alterior motivations.
How does the Media contribute to this obfuscation?
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:22 pm
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Why do some of Jimmy's sheep have black X's on their backs? So he can remember which one's kick.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Brent, You're way to intelligent for Outlaw he can't keep up.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:17 pm
We didn't get to vote on English only. Wonder why???
Rufus, spencer - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Yes Outlaw they are all stump broke and you are boring me now.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Its kind of like the unlicensed driver saying he got rear ended, and it wasnt his fault. Ultimately it was his fault because he shouldnt have been there.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:14 pm
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Whatever Brent, your rambling post makes no sense. You said that we brough freedom to the women of Iraq and I called BS. Don't get pissed at me because you're wrong. Terrill is a racial opportunist, period.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:14 pm
People screaming how ILLEGAL aliens are being discriminated against and are victims of bigots, the thought in and of itself is laughable. Im an optimist, but if things continue, well be like all the Mexicans running to the U.S. Where will we go, Europe?
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:12 pm
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Outlaw did they vote or not? Simple question simple answer. Do we need to leave absolutely once they can attest to their own security and our interest in the area? Did I say we revolutionized their thinking as a group? NO in fact I like others disagree with their view on culture and their expression thereof. I will say however that at least unlike you who wishes to blame shift and never accept personal responsibility or pride in ones own beliefs while misguided they stand up for what they believe in and strap a bomb to their chest. Misguided yes but you don’t even have a big enough pair to change your own surroundings just want to blame someone else because your life stinks typical liberal. Somebody stands up to the freeloaders and you call him a bigot.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 2:09 pm
I don't squirm Jimmy, I've lived in Oklahoma long enough to get used to living with people like you...the simpleton attitude fits you well. What surprises me is that you knew Timothy McVeigh well enough to know his 'attitude' on subjects, was he a fan of Randy Terrill as well? I find it funny that since I don't hold the same opinion as you I'm a 'nut job', that's a very unAmerican and entirely totalitarian point of view. Do you make your farm animals submit to you before you give them your sweet release?
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Outlaw you may be an American but above that you are a nut job in need of medication. You remind me of Timothy McVeigh and his attitude towards America. Speak your peice guy who cares ? I think most just consider the source and move on with it . Me I like the fact that you squirm!!! When thou protest to loudly you begin to smell.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 1:38 pm
"cucumber" a green card may not make one an American, as you put it, but it does make them LEGAL. At least when most bigots try to disguise their bigotry by talking about "illegals" but you don't even bother hiding your racism when you dis the "Mexicans". Not all illegals are Mexican, and FYI, not all Mexicans are illegal. Read a book.
BBJ, Midwest City - Jul 8, 2008 at 1:36 pm
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And to Brent, do you really think that we gave women in Iraq any rights? They get beaten to death when they look at someone funny and you think that since they got to put some purple ink on their middle fingers one time...they now have rights? Iraq is a Muslim state, women are lower than dogs and always will be. Oh yeah, now they want us out....so much for us being 'liberators'.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Great reply Jimmy...love it or leave it is the intellectual equivilent to spit or swallow when discussing our great country. If you'll read my post you will find that I am not in FAVOR of illegal immigration any more than anyone else. I'm also not a pansy liberal or a hypocritical conservative dbag. Terrill is a racial opportunist and I pointed that out. If you don't like it then kiss my backside putz, I'm an American and can express whatever opinion I want.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 1:27 pm
tu, Since you despise Oklahoma so much take your foreign a$$ back to where you came from. In other words your mothership.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 1:23 pm
oklahoma is not even considered by the rest of the country...okies are garbage, all okies.
tu, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:43 pm
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The criminal illegal aliens and their leftist apologists hate Randy.This is predictable because this multiculturalist scum have NO respect for the law and will stoop to even defacing a democratic expression of a candidate(yard signs).Most Oklahomans love 1804 and want official English.Is Harry TurnCoates,the chamber and their hispanic lackeys behind this vandalism..or is it some Norman radical Stalinists?
charles, tulsa - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Outlaw, If you intend to have any kind of intellectual conversation on the topic of illegal immigration you may want to return to fifth grade and learn to spell BORDER the right way. Quit throwing the Iraq war into every conversation because in this case it doesn't wash, anytime there is a problem it's because of the war in Iraq get real guy because you sound like a fool . This is solely about ILLEGAL people being in this country without permission period nothing more and nothing less. It's probably true that a terrorist could cross our border unnoticed since so many hispanics are doing it. I don't think that makes this a Republican issue.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:32 pm
As to the Iraq war Outlaw all the liberal pansies in this country should be ashamed of themselves for claiming to support social freedoms and in the same breath cry over the war. Women in Iraq vote and go to school because of the war we are fighting. Hello!!! is that not a big enough social freedom for you hypocrites to sacrifice a few American lives. They signed up to give their life for freedom and we act like a few thousand is too high a price. It fits your politics for today so you rail about it like a bunch of cowards if you asked the women in this country what price would they pay for the right to vote you would have thousands volunteer their life to secure the rights of those that would follow them. We as a country have been so assaulted by liberal idealism and social guilt that we have lost our stomach to stand up for what is correct instead we roll over and bitch like a spoiled child as our borders and our culture melt away. The Romans faced the same choice and fell in part to the dissolution of their social beliefs time to man up or face a similar fate.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Regarding the economic impact of illegals here in this state, this would be less of an issue in a non recessionary, global economy where the top 10% and US multinationals have tax incentives to invest everywhere but in the U.S.
It's like trading down for some relief when the root causes of our economic state need to be addressed and repaired.
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:26 pm
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Outlaw, that is your opinion. So is that how everyone else are supposed to see it, your way? I don't care what Terrill is, it is time something is done. You are right that there have always been illegals. But just look how many we have now. Why does any politician do anything? They don't care about you or I either. Outlaw, do you think the illegals should be here? I will address the problem, they need to leave, it's that simple. We owe them nothing, nothing at all.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Outlaw I have a family member who works for the ATF and in particular he helps track illegal flow of weapons and drugs into our county from the southern border. The level of inflow is startling. The system is broken and needs fixed and it’s disgusting to listen to people whine and make excuses for our situation and not have the nerve to address it just because it has been that way before. Obey the law or leave stop making excuses for those who don’t. If I were an immigrant who came here correctly I would be disgusted at those who didn’t and if your not equally disgusted you should be ashamed of yourself.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Terrill doesn't give a crap about illegal immigrants, it's an issue on which he can get publicity and get people named cucumber to vote for him. If it weren't illegals, it'd be gays like Kerns is doing. I'm not for illegal immigrants being in this country at all, and definitely not for them draining our social systems. The problem is that there have been illegal immigrants here since the boarder was drawn. The republicans equated illegal immigration as a national security risk to our country as a distraction from the Iraq war. The fact that illegals have been coming and going for years somehow got wrapped up in the fact that if terrorist wanted to, the could at any time cross our boarders illegally like so many people have done for so long. So without actually addressing the problem of a pourous boarder that anyone can cross, we get dbags like Terrill who want to make a name off of kick out illegal workers. That's my beef, cucumber...address the problem, not the symptoms....and don't blow smoke up my arse and expect me to be happy with it. Terril is an opportunist, a racial opportunist...nothing more.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:08 pm
The employers need to wake up too they save a few bucks now and spend it twice over in increased insurance cost and social expenditure for the freeloaders. It’s a shortsighted view for a long-term problem.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Well said D I personally don’t care if your Hispanic or blue be an honorable person obey the law or leave by force if necessary. The cry of bigot is old useless media tricks to mask the injustice of hard working citizens footing the social and economic bill for the lawbreakers and loafers.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Outlaw, you're the racist and bigot. I'm a realist. If you are one of the business owners reaping the profits from paying them so much less than minimum wages, maybe you should go to church and pray forgiveness for being a greedy lowlife. You are not for immigration reform, that is obvious by your comments. This is not a Republican or Democrat issue. Most everyone are sick of them, except the business owners.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Controversial issue. Terrill believes increased illegals lowers the standards and fabric of our society and drains public resources, and toward this a case can be made. I doubt Terrill is a racist. The fact they are hispanic is incidental. I give him credit for taking a stand, something few politicians appear to do today with this issue.
Perhaps a streamlined immigration/citizenship process?
C, Oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:59 am
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Do what you are supposed to do legally and no one is asking you to leave what do you not understand about that.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:50 am
A green card doesn't make you an American.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:46 am
If you get caught hiding illegals you should be sent back. That makes you just as illegal as they are.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:44 am
I am sorry I am an American born in Mexico and I will not leave this country.
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tu, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:39 am
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Outlaw, Isn't it kind of hard to roll on the ground at work? Or are you one of those sucking our system dry on the welfare program better yet maybe a tweaker supporting yourself on the backs of the strung out illegal Mexicans. Who knows and more importantly who gives a damn? believe me when I say there are more in favor of Randy Terril than against him.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:35 am
He is asking for the law to be followed and should be respected for doing so. I was struck in a hit and run by an illegal the cops shrugged it off said it happened all the time call my insurance company and the same illegal later hit another car while speeding in a school zone. You cry baby liberal pansies will change your tune if it is your car or heaven forbid your kid one of these lawbreakers mows down next.
Brent, Jenks - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:33 am
Terrill will win the election. The illegals can't vote. Too many people are sick and tired of the illegals. This is not a racist issue, it is a legal issue. This is not a Republican issue, just as many Democrats are sick of them also. It is time for all Mexicans to go home(Mexico). We will not give our state to them.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 11:14 am
wave goodbye terrill. your done in this town.
Randy, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:57 am
randy terrill and his thugs post signs illegally all the time. look at the neighborhoods that he posts in common areas. they are all illegal. any sign you see on the northwest side of norman is illegal. "bigot" and "racist", those are both honest discriptions of randy terrill.
Randy, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:55 am
I just wonder who might have done that. It could have been Citizens that are sick and tired of the Mexicans. But wait, it could have been business owners that employ illegals for far less wages than are considered fair. It could have been Osama Obama himself. No I think think everyone knows that it was Mexicans, since they are all illegal.
UnSub, Yukon - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:52 am
Randy, please don't make me laugh. I support this nation, but I don't like what is being done with some things. One of those is that most people who are for HB 1804 are hypocrites. I still don't like Mr. Terrill.
Fernando, Enid - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:45 am
HA HA that's a good one Jimmy. I've always thought that sarcasm is the greatest form of expression and you really nail it on the head. Keep up the good work, your killing me Smalls. Everyone knows that Terrill doesn't give a rats patookey about laws, he's just grandstanding to get attention so he can move higher up the hipocritical republican ladder. Sally Kern has chosen the gays as the group she'll try to step on to gain power, Terrill has chosen the hispanics. It's pretty sad that these two 'lawmakers' have chosen to beat down a couple of groups of people to make themselves appear to be 'better' than someone else. I bet Kerns/Terrell also describe themselves as 'compasionate' conservative as well, and are good 'christian' folks with 'values'. HAA HAAA.....ROFLMAO!!
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:41 am
Terrill has authored several bills allowing for the seizure of private property (homes and cars) for very minor infractions, such as not carrying insurance verification in autos (wether you actuallly have insurance or not). This should give you insight into his political thinking. He has never seen a piece of private property that he doesn't want to confiscate for governmnet use.
Kevin, Shawnee - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:40 am
You are right, Jimmy. What this comes down to is are we a nation of laws or not. Mr. Terrill supports the laws of this country as a good law maker should. Those who don't support the U.S. as a nation of laws don't like him. Reading the messages of those who do not like Mr. Terrill and his stand on laws reminds me of the old saying, "When you throw rocks into a pack of dogs, the ones are hit are the ones who yelp." These are the people who have a reason not to like anyone who believes in law and order.
Randy, Norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:35 am
Mr. Terrill will never become the president! He will loose on the Hispanic vote alone.
Fernando, Enid - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:28 am
Kurt, Thanks for the benefit but make no mistake I was NOT kidding . I really don't care what those of you who are for illegals to be in this country think. Right is right and wrong is wrong and most of you posting in favor of this mans demise have an agenda. Being pc isn't a tough job but the ones that aren't are always the demon. I have no use for lawbreakers or anyone that supports them period. Now you know where I stand!
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:21 am
Anyone who tries to say he isn't racist should find a transcript of his speech he gave at his "pat myself on the back" party he threw at an Asian restaurant months ago. And when you find it, remember that this is the guy who claims his bill is "race neutral", yet starts his speech off by celebrating the fact that Hispanic enrollment in public schools in Tulsa had declined significantly. And yes, it is funny that he reported this story to the papers before the police. I can't wait to watch him lose. Oh, Jimmy from Sandy Shores, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are kidding when you say that.
Kurt, Midtown OKC - Jul 8, 2008 at 10:07 am
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If you've ever seen Terril's ridiculous "campaign add on wheels" that he drives up and down I-35 every day, you KNOW that this fear-monger is only concerned with his own self-promotion. My main problem with Terril is that he plays on his constituent's ignorance and fear to create a wave of populist "patriotic" chest-thumping and then ride that wave into office. The main casualty of his hate mongering is real, WELL-CONSIDERED immigration reform.
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:51 am
terril is clearly a typical cracker okie racist scum. there is no other possible motivation for his action, or the people that supported it for that matter, other than plain bigotry. oklahoma is, was and always will be a joke to the rest of the country because of people like terrill and his okie garbage supporters
tu, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:49 am
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Even other State Reps have told me he does the things he does just to get publicity, and NOT for the good of the people of Oklahoma.
Steve, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:40 am
And if he has children, I hope they have half hispanic children.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:31 am
I hope he chokes to death on a taco.
Outlaw, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:30 am
Seems like there are some who like to label Mr. Terrill "racist" just because he believes in observing the law of the land. When did we get to the point that we can obey some laws and ignore others? The term "illegal" means just what it implies--living here illegally. I don't get to pick and choose the laws that I want to obey and neither should the illegals.
Don, Duncan - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:26 am
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I for one hope to see him as Govenor or President someday. People dislike the ones who take a stand for what is right.
Jimmy, Sandy Shores - Jul 8, 2008 at 9:04 am
Interesting to me that he notified the media before the authorities. Just what is important to Mr. Terrill, the law or publicity? From what I have seen, he is a master at grandstanding; and nothing else.
Deann, Crescent - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:58 am
Leftists love to use the word racist. The word plays on white guilt and quickly embarrasses most people into submission. Not me. Close the borders and make it easier for people that want to come here so they ca do it safely and we can know who they are. That is all us "Nazi Republicans" want. I just want to know who is in my country. Also learn English. I would not move to Mexico and expect the locals to learn my language and be mad when they don't.

BTW: Read Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg
michael, shawnee - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:42 am
These words were probably printed with his own hands or someone within his group for the sake of more FREE publicity. Ever campaign someone signs are defaced, removed, or destroyed and yet we don't read or hear all their stories. If he is posting signs that are out of his polling area, he should be fined for littering in Norman. If I lived in Norman, I would not want to drive around town looking at the signs of every candidate running throughout the surrounding areas. Take it to the bank, he will be soon seeking a seat in Congress.
Herb, Choctaw - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:35 am
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Kirk you are right, I would not doubt a bit if he paid someone to deface his signs just so he could get on TV... Can't wait to vote him out.....
Steve, Moore - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:34 am
What's the big fuss? Having worked political campaigns since 1968 i can say that defacing political yard signs, stealing them, knocking them down, or replacing them with another candidates sign is nothing new. Political affiliation doesn't seem to be a determining factor in yard sign molestation - Republicans and Democrats both seem to do it with gusto and joie de vive.
stephen, Elk City - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:31 am
I was debating weather to consider him racist until he came up with son of 1804 and his English only legislation. Mr. Terrill are you not worried about your hispanic voters? I will not vote for you if I lived in the OKC area.
Fernando, Enid - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:14 am
This is nothing more that Mr. Terrill seeing an opportunity to put his name before voters---and the media's playing along. These incidents enable him to reach out to his core supporters with a scare tactic---"These ugly pro-immigration people are resorting to terror tactics!"---and so ensure and their support. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Terrill paid people to do the defacings to set up this whole thing. And, hey---signs in NORMAN? What's up with that? He's a MOORE representative, yet I've seen his signs as far south as Imhoff and Highway 9 in Norman. Why?
Kirk, Norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:12 am
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Serves him right. I have more of a problem making English as an official language than illegal immigration.
Fernando, Enid - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:10 am
Walter, does the entire Oklahoma Democratic Party support defacing others' property, or is it just their Secretary?
Justin, Oklahoma City - Jul 8, 2008 at 8:00 am
I will vote to re-elect Mr. Terrill as I appreciate his fight against these illegals that are a drain on our public resources. Come here legally or don't come at all!!! And once you are here LEGALLY learn the ways of the country you came to, don't demand we change everything to fit you!!!!!!!!
JJ, Okc - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:47 am
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Probably Harry Coate's roofing employees
Rufus, spencer - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:41 am
As one of his constituents, I can't WAIT to vote this "racist" "bigot" out of office. I didn't deface the signs, but bravo to whomever did. It is an "affront" to our electoral process in the same way that the Boston Tea Party was an affront to the processes of the day.
Kelly, norman - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:38 am
Of course Terrill goes to the press before he makes a police report. He's always the victim. Can't wait to see him defeated.
Chris, Warr Acres - Jul 8, 2008 at 7:23 am
It's called "truth in advertising."
Percy F., Ardmore - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:46 am
richard, oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:40 am
randy, what do you expect, they are and always will be criminals. those that support them are at the same level (can walk below a snakes belly)
richard, oklahoma city - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:40 am
You reap what you sow. Apparently the people defacing the signs (legally placed?) were also using the signs as a means of communication to voters. And to the candidate.
Walter, Edmond - Jul 8, 2008 at 6:38 am

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