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Are older Oklahoma drivers safe?
Texas makes motorists 79 and older renew license in person

BY JULIE BISBEE    Comments Comment on this article23
Published: November 28, 2008

Oklahoma’s policy of allowing older drivers to renew their driver’s licenses without additional testing puts people at risk, according to two men who want to see reforms in the state’s system.


Senior driving trainer Randy Jacoby works with Darrel Tiller. File photo by David McDaniel

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KEY FACTS

When to consider limiting driving

While AARP does not support limiting driving for older drivers, it does offer these tips for families and older people to consider when determining their ability to continue driving.


• Frequent "near accidents.”


• Frequent dents and scrapes on the car or on fences, mailboxes, garage doors, curbs, etc.


• Trouble judging gaps in traffic at intersections and on highway entrance/exit ramps.


• Other drivers honking at you.


• Getting lost more often.


• Difficulty seeing the sides of the road when looking straight ahead.


• Difficulty turning your head to check over shoulder while backing up or changing lanes.


• Slower response to unexpected situations.


• Trouble moving foot from gas pedal to brake pedal, or confusing the two pedals.


• Increased reliance on mirrors.

Allan Staples, an Oklahoma City financial adviser, and his childhood friend Rick Bolka, a Texas software engineer, have spent the past few months talking with lawmakers about reforms to Oklahoma’s driver’s license system. They want lawmakers to consider a plan that would require drivers over a certain age to be tested to get their licenses renewed.

Currently, Oklahoma drivers are not required to take a driver’s test when they renew their license, as long as they have maintained a valid driver’s license, said Capt. Chris West, Oklahoma Highway Patrol spokesman. There are no requirements for older drivers, and the fee for a license for a person 65 or older is waived.

In 2000, Oklahoma implemented a graduated driver’s license program for teen drivers and added restrictions in 2005 when legislation was passed to restrict teen driving to the hours of 5 a.m. to 11 p.m., with exceptions for driving to work, school, church or other related activities. The provision also allows a teen to drive after hours if a licensed driver is seated next to the teenager.

The number of teen driving deaths has declined by 44 percent since 2000, according to records from the Oklahoma Department of Safety.

What Texas law says

In Texas, Bolka was successful in getting that state’s lawmakers to approve measures that require drivers 79 or older to renew their license in person and undergo vision testing. Another provision of the law, known as Katie’s Law, requires drivers who are 85 years old to renew their driver’s licenses every two years in person. Katie’s Law is named after Bolka’s teenage daughter who was killed in 2007 by a 90-year-old woman who drove through a red light and killed 17-year-old Katie Bolka as she drove to school.

"When we started to look at the circumstances of Katie’s death, whether it was isolated or a larger issue, we discovered that it comes down to that driving is a privilege, not a right,” said Bolka, who grew up in Oklahoma City. "States have done all sorts of things to ensure the safety of our youngest drivers, and now we have to look at the other end of the spectrum.”

Statistics published by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety shows drivers over 80 are more likely to be involved in fatal crashes. The accident rate for older drivers was higher per 100 million miles of travel than any other group, according to the research group. Drivers older than 85 had the highest rate of fatal crashes, according to data collected between 2001 and 2002.

As baby boomers age, it could mean that one in four drivers are considered elderly drivers, Bolka said.

"If states refuse to act, they are going to eventually be forced to face the facts,” Bolka said.

Staples and Bolka said it has been difficult to get Oklahoma lawmakers interested in the proposal. Staples said he’s contacted several lawmakers, but few have returned calls or e-mail messages.

Groups oppose tests

Many groups oppose targeting older drivers with sanctions and additional testing. AARP, an advocacy group for people 50 and older, says ensuring driver safety at all ages should be the priority, said Sean Voskuhl, spokesman for Oklahoma AARP.

"AARP would be in favor of in-person renewals based on ability, not age,” Voskuhl said. "It doesn’t matter if you’re 40 or 80. It should apply to all age groups. There are a lot of older drivers that are good drivers. Driving provides them with independence and helps they stay connected in their communities.”

AARP offers safety classes for older drivers and tips for families who face the reality of taking the keys from an older relative, Voskuhl said.

Bolka said public safety should be paramount.

"This is the bloody truth: There are elderly citizens that put their independence above the safety of others, and they don’t have the right to do that,” Bolka said.

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I know there are some programs that bring food to elders (and disabled) as well as a program that sends someone out to help with household chores (and errands) but no one can ride with them due to insurance unfortunately. I think they still need to get out of the house, depression isn't picky about who it attacks. I'm not an elder but I know my time will come and yes it'll bother me, I like driving. I hope I can say no when it's not wise to venture out onto the roads without serious depression. I'm not sure if there are programs to help with the process but think it'd be nice for everyone who has to stop doing what they've done all their lives, drive. One program is Girling, I don't recall all they do but they offer help to elders and folks who are limited medically. My mom has them helping but also several other things so I'm not sure their exact role, sorry. I thought I'd mention them if you are elder or medically challenged, maybe you could check into them. I know there's one in Oklahoma City. Wish I knew more about all the services the state offers. I agree everyone needs to be evaluated periodically and provided training or alternative methods. I hope the Governor is reading this, maybe it'll spark an idea with them. *smile*
Brock, Oklahoma City - Nov 30, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I am 73 years and am an arthritic. I voluntarily gave up driving this year and now let my wife do it all. Now believe me, that was not an easy thing to do but my reaction times are not as good as they should be anymore. My wife is a good driver but the day is comming when she too will have to give it up. I don't want her driving when it is no longer safe for her to do so. We live in a rural area and that leads to a large problem for us. When Bolka and Staples solve the problem of "grounding" all of us old people, maybe they can work on the problem of getting our shopping and other things done for us.

We in our "Golden Years" (what idiot thought that up), can pass a written driver's test as well as we could when we were 16. If there is a way to renew a driver's liscense without physicaly showing up to do it in Oklahoma, I've never heard of it. And yes, we do value our independence but do not place it over anyone's safety.

I agree that every driver over a certain age should have to pass a physical. But what age is that, what do you say we make EVERYONE who wants to renew their liscense bring a statement from a doctor stating that they are physically fit to operate a vehicle. When we get that done, then we can make them bring a statement stating they are mentally fit to do so. That is also a large problem. With a horn and a certin digit on one or both hands, they have been known to cause an accident or two. We should consider what to do about them.

It is a problem folks. Some of the aboved statements were a little tongue in cheek but I think a physical for every renewal is not a bad thing. Renew a younger person for a longer period of time, as the age increases reduce it.

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Don, Walters - Nov 29, 2008 at 12:47 am
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They should either leave it the way it is or test everyone. Age does not necessarily determine a person's driving abilities there are many other factors. If you think about it, some 70 year olds have been driving over 50 years with the possibility of no training since they were 16. Things change over time - I think some retraining would be good occasionally.
Lawerence, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Kevin, You sure got that right! The tiny towns with one car per hour have 25MPH speed limits. In the City they are from 45-60 and if you are only going 70 the police will pass you. SERIOUSLY!
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Oh, let me add that yes the brakes may have failed then worked again. I thought on that but he seemed a bit out of it for some reason but was said it wasn't meds or anything. No one tested him though so I don't know.
Brock, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 4:31 pm
I think they do need retested. I know they want their independance and I feel bad about that part but they slow in response and the roads are very dangerous! I've been in 4 wrecks not my fault. Out of the 3 wrecks. Those 4 wrecks consisted of 3 females, one male. One female and one male were elders. My first wreck I was pregnant and a woman ran a stop sign. My second wreck I was pregnant with the same baby and in a state 1000 miles away from the last wreck and a woman ran a stop sign (late for a party and wanted to leave regardless of the circumstances because she was already late, we insisted she stay), My 3rd wreck was an elderly woman turning in front of me. She paused then edged out to turn very very slowly but at the last minute went a bit faster, I had a green light and she was to yield. That one was pretty bad as it was at about 40 mph. I thought she was going to wait and was just impatient like many. She was a very slow moving woman and I felt so bad for her. My last wreck was this month,I was rear ended by an elder claiming the brakes went out. When he left in his car (with no radiator fluid) he braked 3 times so I know they worked. He'd been seen driving through a yard before slamming into our back end. Totalled the car, my son had a scratch on his neck from his seat belt. (Seat belt saved him from further damage, please buckle up). I've noticed elders are a risk, so are people running late and distracted. I saw a truck in 3 different lanes recently on the highway, unknown if he was drunk or on meds or having health problems but I called it in because I feared for his life and others. My uncle died from being ran off the road by another car, would hate to see that happen to someone else. I think it'd be good for us, though inconvenient, to be periodically retested. I wish there were more ways for folks who have trouble getting around to be transported to their desired destinations. I am not blaming anyone, I just know as we age our bodies don't work quite as good as when we are younger. We lose eyesight & reflex timing. I think those two play the biggest role. Thanks for listening to my views on the topic. Sorry for the length of the comment.
Brock, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 4:28 pm
It would probably be cost prohibative but it wouldn't bother me to take both the written and driving test every time I had to renew. I actually got stopped once for "engaging my transmission prior to turning on my lights." It's a habit I have. I was backing out of a parking space and had my foot on the brake the entire time and the car NEVER moved. I had NO idea that was illegal. In reality, I had just left a club where I was listening to a friend from Austin play music and I'm sure that the officer thought he might have caught the "5 pound bass" (DUI) but alas, not so much. I did get to play "Richard Simmons" behind my car however. Fortunately, I wasn't ticketed. I asked the officer "how he knew that I had put my car into gear" and he told me my back-up lights had come on. Sooooooooo I replied, "my lights were on in the direction of travel." I couldn't help it. I guess I'm just lucky he didn't decide to find something else to cite me for. Before anyone goes ballistic about my smart mouth and policemen, let me just say that I absolutely admire and respect cops and believe they should be paid a million dollars a year for what they do. But I'm also a wise ass! Anyway, Who knew about THAT law?
Cale, oklahoma city - Nov 28, 2008 at 4:21 pm
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This article is in very poor taste even by Oklahoman standards. Maybe in her next article Ms. Bisbee can write on how women aren’t very good at math or science or she could sure up some other unfortunate stereotype.
Jason, Seattle - Nov 28, 2008 at 3:28 pm
It seems like the government is constantly trying to take over & run every aspect of everyone's life. This is always in the name of keeping someone "safe". At what point would everyone just be happier if they & their family could live a more "unsafe" life without the government in their business all the time?
Southern Rebel, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 2:06 pm
Lets take it one step further. People who learn to drive in smaller towns tend to demonstrate more MANNERS and caution when driving in bigger towns, where people frequently drive like idiots, therefore, people from small towns should not be allowed to drive in bigger towns, where they would be an impediment to the 'normal' flow of traffic.
Kevin, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I think all drivers should have to renew their license in person and take a vision test. Pilots have to do it. Why not automobile drivers? I know a woman (approximately 35 years old) who can't read the street signs and needs corrective lenses, but keeps putting off going to the eye doctor. I don't think it is asking too much for older drivers to be scrutinized a little closer.
Mitch, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 10:27 am
My mother's driving was so bad my Dad took her keys away from her and wouldn't let her drive. After he passed away in 1989, Mom applied for a driver's license in TX and got one sent to her in the mail even though she hadn't driven in 10 years. Wasn't long before she crashed into the side of the house trying to park and was seen driving down the wrong side of the road by one of my relatives.

She refused to listen when I asked her to stop. I did the only thing I could, I called the Dept of Public Safety and told them she had no business driving. They sent her a letter and told her she had to come in to take a test. Boy was she mad but she did quit driving.

We need common sense rules for re-examination; not AARPs hype (which is why I will never join their bloated organization). Anyone over the age of 65 should be required to re-test every 4 years minimum. Come to think of it, anyone under the age of 25 outght to be required to re-test as well.
Big Daddy, Yukon - Nov 28, 2008 at 10:24 am
Sean? Wasn't he the one from Waukomis that was driving drunk and almost killed his girlfriend? At 67, I know better than to drink and drive. last ticket I got was years ago for my cruise control having my truck speed up to 70 in a 65 MPH zone going up a hill on a divided 4 lane highway with no one coming from either direction and a sneak thief highway patrolman sitting beside the road. That was 7 years ago and I had just got the truck and didn't know it would go 5 MPH faster than it was set at before it would drop back. As others have said, it depends on the person and if they are on their cell phones, fussing with kids, lighting a cigarette, or a host of other things. Most of us old timers pat more attention to our driving and our experience makes up for sometimes slower reflexes. Mine happen to be excellent.
Floyd, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 10:03 am
As for the AARP's response, perhaps the communities could reach out more to the seniors by providing services at the senior centers or grocery shopping volunteers who drive several seniors to the store or doctors. I am sure there are grants out there to help defray the costs.
Marie, Mustang - Nov 28, 2008 at 9:18 am
"Driving provides them with independence and helps they stay connected in their communities," says an AARP spokesman. This is a tired excuse. Driving is a PRIVILEGE, not a right.
However, the reason legislators won't look at the issue is because the voting bloc of senior citizens is a powerful. Legislators think they'll be voted out of office if they enact legislation that restrict driving of senior citizens. They're concerned about reelection and not the perceived safety of motorists.
Brian, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:55 am
Driving is a privilege - we must invoke common sense. I have people at both ends in my life - my 86 year old grandmother and three teenagers. The graduated license for teens helped me enforce the importance of being safe to my young drivers. My grandmother's vision is fading and her slower reaction times are a hazard to other drivers and herself yet she is allowed to drive because she already has her license. If my child received a moving violation or if someone I knew told me they witnessed my child driving improperly I would not hesitate to take his/her keys and the state may revoke his/her driving privileges. However, that is not so for the rest of the driving population. It is difficult for families to take the keys from our parents and grandparents; the role reversal can be damaging. The state has the power to restrict my child's driving privileges, why can it not do the same for anyone else? The main problem will be enforcing the law. Will there just be that many more unlicensed drivers without insurance on the road?
Marie, Mustang - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:48 am
"Hey, I guess they're right. Senior citizens, although slow and dangerous behind the wheel, can still serve a purpose"
Ed Lova, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:39 am
Ray, I agree with you. The problem, though, is the health problems that come with age. I saw a very elderly gentleman yesterday walking to his car. He had to stop several times and lean on something to keep his balance. He finally made it to the car and left. It's usually the children of an elderly person who finally take the keys away. I don't know what the state could do that would be any better.

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Randy, the people talking on cell phones don't scare me as much as the idiots texting on them while driving. I can't believe how stupid some people are. Wait, yes I can ;)
Anonymous, The Internet - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:18 am
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN to what Randy, Moore said.
Rick, Oklahoma City - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:14 am
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I believe the "young" ones are taught how to drive fairly well, same as they are offered an excellent education. The problem is there is no one there to supervise them once they have their license. Parents are generally at home or working and don't ride around with the child. It seems as though our socierty likes to point their finger and place blame elsewhere when we should all look in a mirror. I'm presently 65, and if the law required me to take a test to retain my driving privileges, so be it. I am not above the law.
Lawrence, Guthrie - Nov 28, 2008 at 8:03 am
old drivers are safer than people driving with cell phones stuck to their ears.
Randy, Moore - Nov 28, 2008 at 7:42 am
I'm pushing 73 and I guarantee you that I'm a better, safer driver than the teenagers and young adults on the road these days, none of whom know how to merge into traffic, how to cross traffic lanes to find an exit and know little more than how to start, speed like the dickens and, hopefully, stop somewhere. Whatever happened to the little booklet from long ago entitled "Rules of the Road," or something close to that? What makes it worse is the fact that many of these poor drivers actually got passing grades in "dirver's education" classes in schools. Doesn't speak too well of the driving instructors in my opinion. Teach the young ones the proper way to drive before you start worrying about the elderly.
Ray, St. Robert - Nov 28, 2008 at 6:28 am
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