Ada wall discipline prompts concerns
Punishment form is in school policy
BY VALLERY BROWN
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Published: October 28, 2009
In this cell phone photo provided by Amy Caton, students at Willard Grade Center are shown lined up against a wall during recess. As punishment, some students are made to face the wall as other students play behind them.
ADA — A mother who kept her sixth-grader out of school for a week because of a disagreement over how he was punished said her son will go back to school today.
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Amy Caton’s son, Jonathan, 12, was told to stand facing
Willard Grade Center’s brick school building Oct. 20 during recess. He was being punished for not turning in a homework assignment.
Caton said her son gets 15 to 20 minutes of recess after lunch every day.
Caton decided to send her son back after meeting with school officials Tuesday. She contends the school’s policy of making students stand facing the side of the brick school building as other children play is wrong.
"I think it’s publicly humiliating and disgusting to stick your face on a wall. It’s not productive punishment,” she said.
School policy allows for other forms of discipline, including detention, but Caton said neither she nor her son was given an alternative until she questioned it. Her son had never been in trouble before, but she knew of the punishment after reading it in the school’s handbook, she said.
"I told him if he was ever told to stand against the wall, he needed to tell the teacher or the principal that his mother said it wasn’t an option,” Caton said.
Caton said her son called to let her know he’d been told to stand against the wall on Oct. 20. After a brief conversation with
Principal Kevin Mann, she went to get her son.
"I’m not against punishment, but as a parent I want to have a say in what that punishment is,” Caton said. "I think a lot of times no one even questions the policies.”
Caton said after suggesting alternative punishments, she and Mann couldn’t reach an agreement. She said she took her son home. "I didn’t feel comfortable sending him back, and he was a little intimidated because he’d heard my disagreement with the principal.”
Mann did not return phone calls seeking comment. Ada schools
Superintendent Pat Harrison said Monday he wasn’t aware of how long the policy had been in place. He said no one had raised questions about it before.
"Hopefully, we can come to an amicable resolution that everyone can get behind,” Harrison said.
He could not be reached for comment after Tuesday’s meeting with Caton.
Shelley Hickman, spokeswoman for the state Education Department, said disciplinary policies are made at the local level. Parents who are concerned about a particular policy should check to see if it’s in the parent handbook.
Hickman said parents should contact the district superintendent if the practice isn’t common knowledge or if the policy is one they are against. "If this doesn’t alleviate a situation, then they need to bring the matter to the local school board,” Hickman said.
Caton said she was assured Tuesday afternoon the policy will be re-evaluated. She said she would talk to other parents and decide whether to take it before the school board.
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I ended up spending a lot more time in California than I'd planned because...well, because I wanted to, is the actual answer. Carmel-by-the-sea is simply beautiful.
Hope you've been well - all that knock-down-drag out is water under the bridge. If you remember we'd kinda smoked the internet peace pipe in that thread before I headed out to CA.
I'm on FB! I'm easy to find! Pretty soon, I'm going to have my own blog, and I'll post the link all over DOK for my fans! My friends in California talked me into it.
Take it easy, and if I get a FB friend request from a "Raven" I'll know it's you! Gotta go pick up my son from wrestling practice - later.
http://newsok.com/article/3373186
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When I left private school after the eighth grade and went to public junior high, I found I was studying stuff as a freshman in my new school that I'd already studied as a sixth grader.
Which was great, because that gave me more time to pursue my lecherous interests. But still, I figured out right then that public "education" was pretty much a fraud on the taxpayers.
I can see where a child's homework is their own private business. Not the business of the entire class. Like our teachers got in trouble when I was in school for letting us trade papers in class and grade each other’s work. (Of course they only did this so they didn’t have to grade 25 papers at a time.) Calling a child out in front of the whole class about not completing an assignment could be considered wrong by some.
I’m of the opinion that my 6 year old has homework 4 nights a week. At least 30 minutes of homework + we read together another 30 minutes. My son is fortunate (IMHO) to have a mama who helps with homework, and makes sure all homework is done neatly, handwriting is legible, and all homework goes back to school in the proper folders. According to his teacher, there are plenty of parents who don’t give a flying flip if their 1st grader turns in their assignments or not. I sign a reading long each night with the name of the books we read, and how many minutes we read, and my initials.
I can’t say that I’ll be so careful when my son is in the 6th grade. By then, I’ll expect him to have his assignments done and turn them in on time, own his own for the most part. How many of you check or checked your 12 year old’s (almost a TEENAGER) homework?
You were not being nice. You’re not fooling me. You said I gave my HS football team head, and I haven’t forgotten it. And your hero is a character from a movie? You know that movie wasn’t even based on a true story?
My best friend in HS lost a kidney and got a scholarship to play basketball in college. One of those college football players they did a story about last year at the beginning of the year donated a kidney to help his teammate…he still played football. You mean to tell me that National League of Sudoku doesn’t let you participate because you only have one kidney? That is discrimination!
Your day changes everyday? I’m sure it does. Some days you donate a liver. Some days it’s a kidney. Other days you offer up a lung and 2 years rent on a beach house in Malibu for some underprivileged youth. A wonderful hero you are to have, and an even better martyr.
OK, not really. Well maybe if I pretended to be 40, and used a fake name, then people would read it.
But how very nice of you to say so.
The internet is the future and newspapers will eventually become obsolete. The children are supposed to b our future, but not with parents like this lady. Hey Raven, nice day, you got it down to a science, my day changes everyday. Its like my hero says "Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what your gonna get."
Don't sell yourself short--you have a knack for this. A new age Erma Bombeck is the way I it. If you're too young to remember Erma--read her bio on Wikipedia.
The internet is the future and newspapers will evetually become obsolete.
Why not is what I say?
El Prez
Here’s how my day would go.
Alarm goes off at 4:30.
Hit the snooze button until 5:30.
Jogging 45 min.
Shower 20 min.
Drive to work 30 min.
Coffee, Water cooler, Sit thru endless meetings, coffee, bathroom, water cooler, blab on DOK, scripts, water cooler, take fake bathroom breaks, scripts, blab on DOK, water cooler, 30 min bathroom break spent talking on my cell phone in the bathroom, water cooler, maybe lunch, another endless meeting, scripts, water cooler, blab on DOK, script, water cooler, DOK, script, DOK, DOK, water cooler, DOK.
Drive home 30 min.
Crazy mad dash to feed kid, pack kid’s lunch, give kid a bath, check email, maybe eat dinner, maybe not eat dinner, laundry, dishes, clean up the pigsty my son calls a bedroom, more laundry, wash my nasty dog, probably even MORE laundry, brush kid’s teeth, 30 min reading bedtime stories, sex – if I’m lucky, and crash out until it is time to hit the snooze button for another hour.
Anyway--back to your blog. Forget about the money and/or the lack of it being paid. It can't always be about money.A little politics, a little sports, some sex talk and the odd quirky topical story would make for a nice little blog on here in the land of Sarah Palin and neoconservatism.
Just a nice little blog. That's all.
El Prez
BTW: You said: You can only go so far with Sam Bradford."
Yeah....all the way baby. Sam Bradford is SO FINE.
I would have my own blog, but DOK doesn't pay enough. And I don’t color my hair pink in the beginning to “enhance” my bedtime life with my boyfriend, I do it to shock him maybe…and only when he gets used to it does it “enhance” other areas of our lives. And when that starts to happen…I wash it out.
El Prez
El Prez, Deer Creek
Keep up the good work. A unique genre.
El Prez, Deer Creek
That is all - you may now return to your regularly scheduled bickering on this monster of a thread. Thanks.
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I know that 30 year old jailer. Um...some men are just NASTY.
Matt1, no worries at all, I am not a teacher anyway. Glad to see someone step in and answer Raven's question.
John from Brockway, thanks for being you. And Raven, you also. I am a mixed breed of both worlds, formally an agnostic to the bone, currently a believer in Christ. It is awesome to see not only civility but a mutual respect between the two camps. For that, my hat's off to both of you.
Chris, I wonder what you assume I do for a living when comparing our careers. Obviously you think yours is more important than mine.
And your sense of humor is fun. Bye.
And Kyle, don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya. Lots of places to live and I have lived in several and visited most. Hope you find what you are looking for.
John – having friends like me just might. You want a laugh? Michael is boasting of his knowledge of the scent of a skunk’s bloody….well….see for yourself. http://newsok.com/oklahoma-officials-to-seek-smoking-ban/article/3412936?custom_click=lead_story_title
I think another issue in our country going the direction many of us don't like comes down to the church itself. We have attempted to force our morals on people who don't believe in God or if they do don't agree with what some of us believe the Bible teaches. Christ never commanded us to force our morals on others. Instead, he said, "Go and make disciples." The church needs to get back to helping people in their relationship with God. Allow God to convict people of sin. Now the church still needs to preach the Bible. So we don't shy away from what we believe is right or wrong. But we can't go out and make people live a certain way because of what we as Christians believe. Somehow the church has to find a way to influence our world without the sorry attitude we often show to people who disagree with us. Another issue, people got tired of "christians" who did the very things they were telling others to not do!
But that is probably not a good idea. I might get you banned from the church.
When I was a kid most people had the same values, even if they did not go to church. Now it seems like my father in law's statement about America is true. He say the moto has become "huray for me and screw you". I hate it but something is different.
Saw a show one time, "Only the loney" with John Candy, where Maureen O'hara went aroung "telling like it is". All she really did was made hereself feel better and hurt the ones around her. You should watch it sometime. You might not "tell it as it is". I find often what I think is "telling it like it is" is just my opinion fired at people...
Chris, don’t feel too special. I’m still mad at you for saying I blew the whole football team, when you have no evidence that is true. Besides hearsay, and we all know hearsay doesn’t ever count. Also, at least now if a kid drops out of school and doesn’t get a job, I think they can’t get a license until they’re 18. My grandpa told me a day you don’t learn something is a day wasted. She also said, go feed the chickens. Apply THAT to life. HA.
Vino, passive aggressive can be funny. Like when I cut my hair and dye it when I’m mad at my boyfriend. Then he comes home and the look on his face…FUNNY. My shrink says that is passive aggressive.
Don, I have succeeded. I appreciate you stereotyping me though. For a moment, I felt like I belonged. I still like you. :)
And don't judge the rest of the apples by the one that shines on top and is rotton below.....
MY mistake on the running for office. Still stand bye the comment, we need lots of "good" people running for office that care. They are out there, honest hard working people running for office. Term limits would keep them that way....
Raven, Could someone reach over and dial the anger down a notch or two.... Do you treat people like this in person?
Interesting question, John. Let me think about that for a minute.
John, what do we not agree on? I’m sorry but I thought you and I were on the same wavelength more than most. Is it that whole “sex before marriage” thing I keep doing? If it bothers you, I just won’t talk about it anymore.
That is what "the wall" is important for "in my humble opinion". Even if not "the wall" we need something to motivate kids.
John, I wish everyone had a set of parents that would instill the discipline that you aquired, but unfortunately we are a different country today than 40 years ago.
Schools now do testing in some subjects at the beginning of the year to establish the baseline for the kids and know what each needs to do. And target skills are established to be met. Student progress is continually tracked and recorded through the course of the year (a paperwork machine). Teaching is constantly adjusted to meet the criteria. The goal is to have the students meet the grade requirements to successfully move on to the next class by the end of the year. Hope this helps..
You are right, but I think the support structure that helped the home has been dismantled. I felt like I did not deserve the bustings, but my family told me to suck it up and the teachers set the rules. One busting was for droping a plane blade in woodworking (7th grade). One was my 3rd time not saying "sir" when addressing a teacher. I think it made me a better person because I realized the rules may "suck" but I had to learn the "rules".
The school as a support structure as been reduced since the removal of paddling. I know some teachers abuse their authority, but some form of discipline is necessary, even if it is "the wall".
Thanks Matt. Is that like Iowa testing at all? Dibels (sp?) testing is what they do in 1st grade at my son's school. He's in the 96th percentile according to his teacher. They test at the beginning and end of each year, and he's already WAY ahead of where he needs to be in May. In fact, in Kindergarten, his teacher told me he was way above where he needs to be for May (for the next year). I'm impressed by how intelligent my son is. Is that normal?
A lot of kids don't seem to care about the F. Additional punishment (whatever that may be) seems to motivate them to care and try harder. No matter what you think, Schools have been going down since capital punishment ended(the paddle). Whole segments of our public schools are being lost. No future because of no work ethic. I see lifelong teachers just stepping back because it hurts to much to care. You can force a child to go to school but you cannot force them to learn. And the kids who don't want to be there are pulling a lot of kids down with them.
It doesn't appear the kid in this article is the problem but now his mother will probably cause the "face the wall" program to end. Does not sound very bad to me. I was part of the paddle generation and yes I did get a few! I like to think it kept me on the straight and norrow (as much as any of us stay there).
Your child is a couple of grades away from end of year testing with initial focus on reading and math. Tests are taken a few weeks before the end of the school year in the spring.
Wow, so he gets kids that choose his class because they ae smart. What about the teachers who take all students. As an educator, I feel disrespected, how is this guy the teacher of the year, what have his students done. I have had top scores every year on the EOI, I Have 100's of kids score perfect on the EOI. Well I work my butt of too but do I get recognized, nope, what about the other teachers who work their butts off, do they get recognized. Nope. Teacher of the year is a joke, its a political thing.
Chris - Sep 22, 2009 at 11:56 am
As for the type of appropriate punishment for this case, I think it needs to be on several levels. 1st the student gets an F on that project. No making it up. That just encourages our students to not do the project until much later if at all. 2nd, have a class field trip scheduled? That kid shouldn't be allowed to go. Want to learn by taking field trips? Then you need to be willing to learn by doing the school work. 3rd, we don't know if this would have happened eventually or not as the kid called mom pretty quickly, but call the parent. Now this mom seems to me to be looking for a fight when she told her son if this happens call me. She should have gone to the school and objected as soon as she read the policy book. On top of that, if she was going to object she better have a GOOD alternative punishment, one that she will help enforce and support the school.
A lot of these kids aren't scared to fail a class because many of them know in the end the school just wants to pass them on to the next grade. And they aren't afraid of mom and dad's response because they don't seem to care. See Chris, I really do understand the issue here. But a teacher with your attitude isn't ever going to get a parent who isn't involved to become involved. I am currently working with a family in which the mom doesn't know what to do about her son's issues in school. He is getting into a lot of trouble. She doesn't get home until late at night. If you were to show your bad attitude to her, you just lost any chance of helping that family and that student. However, that parent knows myself and others care about what is going on. That is enabling us to give her suggestions on how to handle the situation. And you know what, out of that that student is beginning to share things with me from his home life that is causing him to act out in school.
Vino – this makes my day go by SO much faster. Thanks for your input though.
Kevin – Conservative is an understatement. Chris has no idea what my take is on this wall discipline prompting concern. You still haven’t said you were wrong about me getting knocked up in high school. My main purpose in this discussion is to get you to laugh.
Oh I PROMISE to come meet you, even if Jason says no. I’ll pick him up on the way. I’m sure we would get a kick out of you.
What school do you teach at?
what a puto
1. The student did not turn in his homework, I would bet not that this is not the first time.
2. The teacher dished out punishment. You take away something the student enjoys, and it will fix the problem.
3. The parent goes and complains to the school and even gets the newspaper involved, because he son doesnt do what he is instructed to do.
4. The teachers level of respect has just dropped because kids know that all they have to do is cry to mommy and daddy.
5. What should the worst parent of the year have done. Called the teacher and talk, say "I would like alternative punishment for my child if you wouldnt mind." I have had parents do that to me and I didnt mind. Instead this woman who should have been fixed at birth goes and calls the newspapers and everything making even harder on us teachers. There are your facts.
...BTW its state not 'stae' & its appearances not 'appearences'
I did see action in the military. People would give their left arm to live my life.
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It’s OK. I accept your apology. I didn’t say he builds classic cars did I? Did I? No. It’s OK, go ahead and admit that you misread what was said. Matt said that building classic cars is a profession. I corrected him and said that he doesn’t build classic cars. “He doesn’t build classic cars from the ground up. Then it would be a new car that looked old, not a classic car. :)” Learn to read before you try to talk crap “idiot”. Classic cars are 10 years or older? So my granny’s 1998 Honda Civic is a classic? You just get more and more brilliant as the day goes on.
Raven, I had a well known football coach teach me drivers ed at PC West in the 80's who later moved out to Yukon or Mustang. He was by far the most horrendous 'teacher' I ever had. After treating me poorly while driving I parked the car, said a few choice words, got out and started to walk back to school. He pleaded with me to return to the car, which I eventually did, and our driving lesson was done for the day. I admit I was a punk, but he was a pure a$$.
Chris isn’t really a teacher/coach. He’s a 14 year old junior high drop out who lives in his great-aunt’s basement. It is probably time for his medication.
I have never met a coach who was worth a flip at teaching. All you have to do is bring up the game last night, and class is over; chatty time begins.
Jason – I bet they would let Chris be a guinea pig for one of those classes we were talking about. In fact, I’m sure they would. He wouldn’t be intimidating to the students at all. He won't tell what school he teaches at though, there is no use in asking.
Nevermind. That explains EVERYTHING.
BBJ-Here she comes…Your new…Miss…AMERICA!!
Brockway...never heard of it, but of course that doesn't mean anything. He isn't going to tell us.
I think the discipline levels, however, should vary depending on age. The younger ones have more structure. If a young child is being disciplined, he may have to sit out at recess, along the wall. Additional offenses require principal intervention & so on. Parents are notified at each level. This applies to all grade levels.
Making a younger elementary-aged child stand nose-to-the-wall would be tough for a minor/isolated incident, but if there is a developing pattern, the young child's behavioral issues need to be addressed further, be it the wall or the paddle (that needs to be reinstated), then so be it. Especially an older child, they know better. Assuming the child has no diagnosed disorders, then make a point to make the wall the first offense punishment, next level doing an extra assignment besides making up the first one (this would do well for first level as well). If the child truly accidentally forgot & has is first offense, then the teacher should decide, but if the child is a regular at this or has the attitude he/she doesn't care, then the wall may not work, the paddle may help, but the parents & school need to convene for special attention, not argument on humiliation--it's long past that. In this case, the mother I have no doubt has caused the worst humiliation for her son.
As for the difference I make in lives of kids, I have been a youth pastor for several years now. I spend time working with the parents of my teens in order to make the biggest difference. If I only work with the kid, but don't work to change bad home environments, I have done nothing. As a teacher, you are limited in what contact you have with parents. However, seriously Chris, work WITH the parents to make a difference.
You bet I’m not married? You’re a freaking GENIUS I tell you! How many times have I ever said I’m NOT married? Let me think…at least 30. At least you do know how to read. That gives you a slight advantage over other teachers.
I hope your daughter doesn't get caught blowing the football team in the locker room...whatever would her dear old daddy do?
I do have a great job. Thanks for asking. They pay me the big bucks, and I get to do this all day while my scripts are running in the background. It’s a beautiful life.
Oh, and Kevin, although it is none of your business, I was born in 1983, & I graduated in 2001. I’m 26, and my son is 6. You do the math, if you can.
And again, the fact that a "teacher" is on this board and having issues spelling because either spelling isn't his thing or because a lack of checking the content before hitting submit tells me you are among the teachers that can't effectively teach our kids and help prepare them for the real world. And if you get this kind of attitude with parents who have an issue with you at your school, you are certainly a part of the problem in our education, not a part of the solution.
Again to those of you who are really teachers and who really make an impact in the lives of students instead of simply collecting a paycheck for doing nothing, thank you for your time and your service. And as a parent, I promise I will work with you teachers to educate my children!
I am not going to tell you how to conduct your lesson plan. I'm not a teacher and I don't know what's effective and what's not. I do know, however, which teachers I remember the most and what I remember them for. Your students will remember you for sure, but they likely won't remember much of what you teach; they'll just remember you as that a** hole who made them cry.
Alright listen up. He didn't finish his homework? Let him sit with teacher in the classroom during recess and work on it. Maybe he needs some help.
No need for humiliation. Living in OK is enough.
And you people are flipping out because these kids are having to stand and stare at a wall during recess? Goodness, people. Get a life.
1) How Dare they teach my child a lesson for not doing what they were told to do.
2)How dare they embarrass them by punishing them outside.
No one seems to have a real problem with the punishment not the how or why.
Steve and others who have commented on feelings of worthlessness, I understand it is a complex issue and the answer is not to make the student better by simply catering to the student. But there is a way to discipline a teen and helping them see consequences to their bad choices without humiliation. Such methods, speaking from 15 years of working with teens, doesn't have much success. Teens will respect tough love but it doesn't have to humiliate.
Matt, I agree we don't have all the story. But of course the schools really can't comment on it at this point. For those of you who really are teachers and who really have students who are being educated in your classes, a sincere thank you for taking on a really difficult job.
I do, however, think that being punished for not turning in an assignment is ridiculous. This isn't a behavior problem. This is an oversight. Facing the wall while the other kids play needs to be reserved for the kids who are disrupting class and deserve to lose a privilege here and there. Children who haven't turned in their assignments are already being penalized once with a zero on the assignment.
Maybe it would be better to let the child choose between receiving a zero on the assignment or using the time he would have been standing on the wall to make up the assignment. Just standing on the wall for no reason really serves no purpose for this kind of "offense."
And to be honest public humiliation only gives our students the feeling that they are worthless so why try anymore. Discipline, yes. But to be honest, sticking a student's face against a wall isn't discipline.
Vicki mother of 2 boys!
As for 100% score, as a student I held a very high gpa and did well in both college and grad school. Test scores don't mean squat. These students are being taught to pass a test and not how to think and reason for themselves. That isn't education. It is teaching in order to make the teacher look good.
You make 7th graders cry? You should be so proud. I remember you. You were the dick teacher who wouldn't let the girl go to the bathroom when she started her period in the middle of class, because she “should have though about that before the bell rang”. And you made my boyfriend show you his puke in the toilet in the bathroom because you suspected he was faking running out of class holding his mouth. And you slammed the door in my face on the first day of school so I had to knock and wait for you to unlock it, while the bell was ringing, and since I was then tardy, I got to spend an hour in detention with, you guessed it, YOU. And you gave my best friend detention for putting on Chapstick because “females should do their ‘make-up’ in the restroom, not MY classroom”. And I never learned a single thing in your class because I was much too busy HATING you.
BTW: I was an Oklahoma Academic Scholar in HS, and I’m sure you know what that is. That means a 3.7 or higher GPA and a 27 or higher on the ACT. Obviously, I didn’t need your class.
Teacher: Your child has tremendous ability. However, she doesnt turn in her homework.
Parent: Well, what do I do about it.?
Teacher: What you could do is when she gets home, make her take an hour or so and study.
Parent: Thats not my job, thats your job to do that, I have other things that I have to do. Your the teacher, you make her study.
Teacher: And how do make her study when she leaves the school?
Parent: I dont care, as long as she stays out of my hair.
The teacher is me and that was actually said. Now is that just one parent? No, I have had tons like that in career. At parent teacher conference, its not the kids that are struggling whose parents come up, its the ones who are doing great. Think about that before you dog discipline. And BBJ, you got me there.
I am concerned and confused as to why the mom in this story was not contacted by the school about the problem. The parent can't help out if the parent doesn't know that an issue exists!
BBJ made me LMFAO, and she isn't even here to see it.
Agree, BBJ was hilarious.
I totaly beleive they're is people out their teaching hour kids, whom can't right the english Language...Rediculous.
Oh and the part about beating up a girl really cracked me up! I think I made the mistake once or twice of assuming you were a male…it is just that much funnier when people treat you like one. Then you burn them and I get to laugh. Way to go!
If youre just now learning to be responsible at your job then apparently you werent disciplined enough as a child either and are another part of the problem and not a solution.
The end result? The kid grows up and votes for people like Obama thinking that he can sit around on his butt all day doing nothing or half-assing it at his job and life, and it wont matter because as a society we are no longer capitalist responsible for our own selves, but a welfare nation happy with letting the government baby us (like mommy) and taking care of everything for us.
In a nut shell.... people who thought taking the paddle away was a good idea are just another part of the problem. Go work at Capitol Hill High School or U.S. Grant for a week.... see how the kids their dont respect adults, cuss you out, beat other kids up, etc, etc.... and I bet you left wing hippies will change your mind.
There is article in the opinion section about foreign scholars, but it states that USA students are falling behind in graduation rates. Many posts advise giving the kids a zero, and leave it at that. That will result in parents upset because the child gets a bad grade. Make it tough for schools to use discipline to motivate students, and you have underachivers.
http://www.newsok.com/foreign-scholars-losing-incentive-to-come-stay/article/3412171
Chris said "Steve, your a also a crappy parent." Your = possessive (as in, "Is that YOUR car?") You're = contraction of "you are." The correct usage here would have been "Steve, you're also a crappy parent."
Chris said "BTW, lisa, you are probably a TA, because your a joke." Same rule applies here as in the previous instance. Your = possessive (as in, "Is that YOUR car?") You're = contraction of "you are." The correct usage here would have been "BTW Lisa you are probably a TA because you're a joke."
It does not matter what you teach. This is simple elementary school level grammar. If your intelligence level is any indication of the general intelligence level of teachers in this state, it's no wonder our kids aren't getting the education they deserve. Thankfully I know enough teachers who have mastered their native language to know that your lack of intelligence isn't the standard for teachers.
Oh, and if you used to beat me up in high school, that says even more for the kind of person you are. Leave it to someone like you to beat up a girl.
How is that for a stupid, fitting comment?
With some of the schools that won't let children say God or Jesus, they will be celebrating Samhain,(hallowe'en) the Druid word for Satan. What the Sam Hill is going, going, gone with this world?
Where is the ACLU?
If this parent didn't like the punishment her son received, she was more than justified in having a one-on-one discussion of the matter with the teacher. And if this really was the first time this kid had ever gotten in trouble (which I highly doubt), then I would tend to agree that maybe this particular punishment was a LITTLE harsh, but the decisions on punishment and discipline cannot be left to the parents. Teachers and school administrators can't do their jobs if they're subject to the whims of every parent of every child in their classes. Ultimately, what this parent did was likely more of an embarrassment to her child than the punishment he recieved at school was, and worse yet, she has completely eviscerated the authority of his teachers, because now they won't be able to do anything to him because he'll just go crying home to Mommy.
That said... I don't see the point in the parent taking her child out of school for a week either. Seems way overboard. I'd have just told the teacher and principal that the punishment didn't fit the crime.
It'll be neat when this kid grows up, gets a parking ticket, his mother says don't pay the fine cause it's too much, so he doesn't cause that's what he's been taught by her.
Give me a break, they did this to us when I was in his grade. Now what would be harsh if the kids started playing wall-ball with them standing up there. Now that was scarring, but I didnt want to go to that wall anymore lmao.
In the small town where my kids attended school they had a unique and excellent punishment for suspension (for larger infractions). They instituted ISS (in school suspension) where the student stayed in the ISS room (off the principal's office) and were required to do all the same classroom work they would have done in class. The principal checked their work to make sure they weren't faking--then they received all zeros for the days they were in ISS. The students that liked the "stay-at-home" type of suspension didn't care at all for ISS, and consequently they tried harder to avoid it.
By keeping her child home, the mother rewarded him for bad behaviour. Even though I don't really think this was appropriate for missing homework (as stated so well by many others), she is sending her son a very dangerous, wrong message: "Don't like something at school, call Mom and she will take you home!"
Missing recess at these ages is a biggie! A real biggie! If a teacher really needs to get a child's attention and motivation going, this works and it works big time. Sheesh.
""...It’s not productive punishment,” she said." It is if the child now 'remembers' to do and turn in his homework.
Kids nowadays are just spoiled brats. Our children have always been punished according to school policy. If that is standing and facing a wall...then so be it. At least he wasn't going to miss any school. I would rather keep my kids in school not at home!